New Saudi fatwah - baby girls must be veiled to stop sexual assault

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Cross posting this

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/02/03/264031.html

I know most will see this is a joke, but this is exactly the problem here. We blame the victims instead of the people raping.

This isn't much different than the arguments I hear on OcUK, and the western world about how women can stop rape.

Don't go out at night
Don't dress ****ty (provocatively)
Don't get drunk

These are all absolving the rapists of the responsibility, and putting it onto the victims like it was somehow their fault. Instead of attacking the culture of rape and saying raping is wrong, every single country out there does this in their own way.

In Saudi they say girls need to wear a veil to prevent rapes, but that won't stop rapists.

In the western world we tell women to not dress so provocatively, they shouldn't have led them on, they should have fought harder because no isn't enough.

The culture of rape is still prevalent in both places, we just see ourselves as more advanced because our culture is more modern. With Sharia law, Islam, and Saudi Arabia, we see them as having rubbish values and religion. Are our values all that much better over here? I'm not saying either is equal, or that the Saudi regime isn't repressive, but if you are recognizing disgusting attributes in humans, recognize them globally instead of demonizing a country or religion.

Whenever I see anti rape ads, people mock them and say they're wrong and sending the wrong message. The message is tell your sons not to rape. While it seems like it should be common sense, wouldn't this awareness work better in preventing rape than forcing girls to wear veils? If we are going to be critical of society, how they view women, and how they view rape, we shouldn't just focus on the one across the sea to make us feel better, we need to focus on it just as much here.

Rape is a global phenomenon, and of course it's going to be worse in more repressive countries, but to act like it doesn't happen on a sickening scale in our own backyard is complete ignorance.

Teach your sons not to rape is the right way to go about it, because laws like this, telling a rape victim she could have done more to prevent it, doesn't stop rape and never will. We need to stop crime with the criminals, not the victims.

Edit: lol ****ty is a swear word according to OcUK?
 
So some random dude says babies should where Burkhus, and you took him seriously? I'm issuing a fatwa that all sheep in Wales should where Burkhus, to stop the welsh from bumming them.
 
OP is making a fair point... if you want to stop Arab males from bumming kids then its surely better to teach Arabs not to bum kids than to try and cover kids up so they don't appear 'sexy' to Arab men.
 
The fatwa has prompted wide condemnation from Saudis on the Twitter micro social networking website, who say the ruling “denigrates Islam and breaches individual privacy,” according to the report.

A former judge at the Saudi Board of Grievances since attempted to undo the damage to Islam’s image by telling the news outlet that he too believes the ruling is denigrating to Islam and Shari’a, and makes Islam “look bad.”

Sheikh Mohammad Al-Jzlana has urged Muslims to “ignore unregulated fatwas” and said special regulations are “set by Saudi authorities to administer religious edicts and appoint those who are entitled to issue them.”

"the argument drew fire from Muslim scholars.

Sheikh Al-Jzlana said the imam’s opinion will cause Islam and Shari`ah to look bad."

"Forcing girls under the age of wearing hijab is against the Islamic teachings."

"“Burkas for babies is disturbing! Now the baby victims are blamed for men’s crimes. Allah help us stop the ignorance,” one user wrote."

"Other Twitter users called for the imam to be held accountable for his statement.

“Saudi Cleric Abdullah Daoud should have his "Sheikh" status stripped. He is effectively blaming baby girls for being molested!” one said.

The uproar reached other Muslims outside the kingdom.

“What the fatwa?! Saudi cleric Abdullah Daoud says baby girls should wear face veils to prevent abuse. How about a fatwa on abusers instead?” an Indian Muslim wrote on his Twitter account."

I'll just leave these here before the whole OcUK community decides to leap on this :P
 
Aka if you want English men to stop bumming kids, it's better to teach English men bumming kids is wrong, rather than trying to get kids to dress less pravocatively so they don't appear sexy to English men?
 
The fatwa has prompted wide condemnation from Saudis on the Twitter micro social networking website, who say the ruling “denigrates Islam and breaches individual privacy,” according to the report.

A former judge at the Saudi Board of Grievances since attempted to undo the damage to Islam’s image by telling the news outlet that he too believes the ruling is denigrating to Islam and Shari’a, and makes Islam “look bad.”

Sheikh Mohammad Al-Jzlana has urged Muslims to “ignore unregulated fatwas” and said special regulations are “set by Saudi authorities to administer religious edicts and appoint those who are entitled to issue them.”

"the argument drew fire from Muslim scholars.

Sheikh Al-Jzlana said the imam’s opinion will cause Islam and Shari`ah to look bad."

"Forcing girls under the age of wearing hijab is against the Islamic teachings."

"“Burkas for babies is disturbing! Now the baby victims are blamed for men’s crimes. Allah help us stop the ignorance,” one user wrote."

"Other Twitter users called for the imam to be held accountable for his statement.

“Saudi Cleric Abdullah Daoud should have his "Sheikh" status stripped. He is effectively blaming baby girls for being molested!” one said.

The uproar reached other Muslims outside the kingdom.

“What the fatwa?! Saudi cleric Abdullah Daoud says baby girls should wear face veils to prevent abuse. How about a fatwa on abusers instead?” an Indian Muslim wrote on his Twitter account."

I'll just leave these here before the whole OcUK community decides to leap on this :P

I really hope people read this before going on a rant about Muslims. Cracking post.
 
Cross posting this

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/02/03/264031.html

I know most will see this is a joke, but this is exactly the problem here. We blame the victims instead of the people raping.

This isn't much different than the arguments I hear on OcUK, and the western world about how women can stop rape.

Don't go out at night
Don't dress ****ty (provocatively)
Don't get drunk

These are all absolving the rapists of the responsibility, and putting it onto the victims like it was somehow their fault. Instead of attacking the culture of rape and saying raping is wrong, every single country out there does this in their own way.

In Saudi they say girls need to wear a veil to prevent rapes, but that won't stop rapists.

In the western world we tell women to not dress so provocatively, they shouldn't have led them on, they should have fought harder because no isn't enough.

The culture of rape is still prevalent in both places, we just see ourselves as more advanced because our culture is more modern. With Sharia law, Islam, and Saudi Arabia, we see them as having rubbish values and religion. Are our values all that much better over here? I'm not saying either is equal, or that the Saudi regime isn't repressive, but if you are recognizing disgusting attributes in humans, recognize them globally instead of demonizing a country or religion.

Whenever I see anti rape ads, people mock them and say they're wrong and sending the wrong message. The message is tell your sons not to rape. While it seems like it should be common sense, wouldn't this awareness work better in preventing rape than forcing girls to wear veils? If we are going to be critical of society, how they view women, and how they view rape, we shouldn't just focus on the one across the sea to make us feel better, we need to focus on it just as much here.

Rape is a global phenomenon, and of course it's going to be worse in more repressive countries, but to act like it doesn't happen on a sickening scale in our own backyard is complete ignorance.

Teach your sons not to rape is the right way to go about it, because laws like this, telling a rape victim she could have done more to prevent it, doesn't stop rape and never will. We need to stop crime with the criminals, not the victims.

Edit: lol ****ty is a swear word according to OcUK?

So he's going against what is written in the Qur'an and Hadiths then? Journalism failure right there!!
 
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