Co-op black box insurance.

There is one in my Mondeo as I volunteered to let them use my car to trial them when I worked at Direct Line as I was curious as to what data they were collecting and there was a chance to win an Ipad 2 iirc, but I left the company before I saw how it worked. It's still fitted behind the glovebox, it took about 5 minutes to fit it.

Next time i'm behind the dash for anything I may just disconnect it.
 
Then rip your insurability apart. Sounds like you would be better off to just turn around and bend over.

No seriously do they charge you to fit this thing?

Yeah the charge is included :rolleyes:

they also charge to remove it if you change insurer lots of extra charges for silly things that should be included, luckily I have not needed any of them :p

Plus I'll be leaving them next year. was only way to insure and build up some NCB (legally) anything and i do mean anything...some of the quotes were stupid. I had a £17,600 quote for a punto :D:D:D:D:D

Like i said previously it's not even accurate. which I would have assumed it would be so they could kill you in any claims if you were to go 1mph over any speed limits.

It's fine if you have no other options, but of course pointless if you can get a similar price with no box at all.
 
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Late night driving is dangerous times? I find it safer as there are hardly any other cars on the road, not many people around. It's unlikely I'll hit anyone or anyone hitting me.

Plus, 8pm is not that late, Sainsburys don't close until 10pm. If you go to the cinema for an evening showing coming out at 11pm is normal. I left my friend's tonight at midnight, didn't drink. Friday night, a meal and a chat. This box seriously restrict your social hours of you want to stay in the good books.

And what if you do shift work, one week day, one week nights. You'll be stuffed.
 
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Late night driving is dangerous times? I find it safer as there are hardly any other cars on the road, not many people around. It's unlikely I'll hit anyone or anyone hitting me.

Plus, 8pm is not that late, Sainsburys don't close until 10pm. If you go to the cinema for an evening showing coming out at 11pm is normal. I left my friend's tonight at midnight, didn't drink. Friday night, a meal and a chat. This box seriously restrict your social hours of you want to stay in the good books.

And what if you do shift work, one week day, one week nights. You'll be stuffed.

Then catch a bus? or get a lift!

When I started driving these box policys were about 50quid less than the policy I chose, not worth the hassle but it looks like they've become more competitive.
 
Are these policies only for new drivers? I think id be ok with it so long as its not monitoring my actual location, accelerometer data id be ok with and I presume from that they could probably estimate your speed (possible issue since i never stick to 70 on a motorway but who does except idiot goodie goodies that speed is the only cause of accidents so drive at 70 while committing every other kind of road sin).

Id even be ok with it being something that they could ping to get it to report its GPS if the car was stolen but actually recording its location at all times is too far.

Id also wonder if its in any way tuned to the type of car, because lets face it if you rag the nuts of a 1ltr corsa and accelerate as hard as you can, it'd probably register about the same amount of g force as someone pulling away normally in a 3ltr car

Still it doesnt sound as bad as the things they have in america, where there is actually a camera and mic in the car recording whenever the engine is running
 
Then catch a bus? or get a lift!

When I started driving these box policys were about 50quid less than the policy I chose, not worth the hassle but it looks like they've become more competitive.

Doesn't that just defeat the whole purpose of personal transport?
 
Installed the co-op 'YoungDriver' app, then started it and sat there childishly shaking the phone around to see if I could get it to show a really bad score

Sadly it wants me to record for at least 5 minutes, couldnt be bothered in the end.. my arms just not used to any rigorous activity lasting that long :p
 
Well I went for it in the end, just couldn't get anywhere near sane quotes doing it any other way, Admiral multi car wasn't too bad but having renewed my insurance on the Landy not long a go I didn't want the hastle of changing it over, besides the co-op black box policy is still a fair bit cheaper. So all sorted, they are installing it on Monday.

When it comes to renewal time I will look again at Admiral multi-car, it'll probably be the way to go after he's got the first year under his belt.
 
Are these policies only for new drivers? I think id be ok with it so long as its not monitoring my actual location, accelerometer data id be ok with and I presume from that they could probably estimate your speed

You can't accurately calculate speed by integrating acceleration for an extended period, because any error is also integrated. This means a very small error would eventually lead to an enormous speed value. It works well enough for the iPhone dyno apps that time 0-60 etc. but that's about it.
 
Well I went for it in the end, just couldn't get anywhere near sane quotes doing it any other way, Admiral multi car wasn't too bad but having renewed my insurance on the Landy not long a go I didn't want the hastle of changing it over, besides the co-op black box policy is still a fair bit cheaper. So all sorted, they are installing it on Monday.

When it comes to renewal time I will look again at Admiral multi-car, it'll probably be the way to go after he's got the first year under his belt.

Thats not how Multicar works. You buy it for just the KA at first, but at the multicar price, and then your LandRover would be added upon its current insurance expiry date.

If the price from Admiral MC is anything like reasonable i would cancel this Co-op policy under FSA rules and go back to Admiral as it is tailored for this situation too :)
 
I wouldnt mind having one of these installed just to see.

I bet they would think my brakes were busted as I drive 20 miles and hardly brake at all for about 16 miles in the middle. Occasionally I have to, and hard, but thats when numpties pull out of junctions in my path or leave braking to last minute themsleves to turn off the main road without indicating in advance. Otherwise I know the route so well I know exactly where to lift off from the NSR to be doing the correct speed to enter each part of 30/40 limit on my route. I bet most of the people who follow me figure my brake lights are broken ;)

Personally the sooner things like this become mainstream the better, although thats when the criminal element will move in to start tampering with them I am sure.

I used to work in insurance and because it was a project role mainly I spent lots of time working across all the aspects (I was finance but the big projects would pull experts from all fields). One project was for a complete new policy system (quotes/claims, renewals etc) and we had a long workshop where one of the underwriters explained the calculations and the fact that most insurance in fact threw out most of the data and charged what they could get away with.
The two examples I remember :

1) 20-30 year old single males with high performance cars. Pay very high premiums relatively, but typically have low claims incidence, although expensive typically when they happen. Drivers tend to be car enthusiasts, and hence buy good tyres, attempt to understand about cars etc. They also typically have a fear of how a claim could mean they cannot afford renewal and drive within their limits. General public perception is high risk, vs actual of low risk so high premiums.

2) 30-40 year old married men with 2 kids. Typically premiums are low/very low relatively. They have relatively high claims experience, although relatively cheap repairs. They are typically semi into cars but often driving a car below what they would ideally drive so tend to be closer to the limits of the car technically. Money is often an issue and the car is seen as a money pit so they will buy cheap tyres etc. They are often distracted whilst driving by the wife and/or kids hence the relatively poor claims experience. Public perception is very low risk, actual reality is medium risk = very cheap premiums.

If underwriters could set the premiums without market forces you would see quite a different set of premiums to what you in reality see in the market place.
 
Thats not how Multicar works. You buy it for just the KA at first, but at the multicar price, and then your LandRover would be added upon its current insurance expiry date.

If the price from Admiral MC is anything like reasonable i would cancel this Co-op policy under FSA rules and go back to Admiral as it is tailored for this situation too :)

Really? Wasn't aware of that, my bad for not researching it properly. Still, the co-op policy is cheaper over all and in all honesty I don't have a huge problem with the black box, it doesn't have any stupid restrictions and I won't be renewing with them come renewal time anyway.
 
1) 20-30 year old single males with high performance cars. Pay very high premiums relatively, but typically have low claims incidence, although expensive typically when they happen. Drivers tend to be car enthusiasts, and hence buy good tyres, attempt to understand about cars etc. They also typically have a fear of how a claim could mean they cannot afford renewal and drive within their limits. General public perception is high risk, vs actual of low risk so high premiums.

2) 30-40 year old married men with 2 kids. Typically premiums are low/very low relatively. They have relatively high claims experience, although relatively cheap repairs. They are typically semi into cars but often driving a car below what they would ideally drive so tend to be closer to the limits of the car technically. Money is often an issue and the car is seen as a money pit so they will buy cheap tyres etc. They are often distracted whilst driving by the wife and/or kids hence the relatively poor claims experience. Public perception is very low risk, actual reality is medium risk = very cheap premiums.

If underwriters could set the premiums without market forces you would see quite a different set of premiums to what you in reality see in the market place.

True story :)
 
Really? Wasn't aware of that, my bad for not researching it properly. Still, the co-op policy is cheaper over all and in all honesty I don't have a huge problem with the black box, it doesn't have any stupid restrictions and I won't be renewing with them come renewal time anyway.

Cool. For future ref though, you start a multicar policy with one car usually. You then agree a start date for at least one additional vehicle within the 12 month policy life. You gain the full discount on the first car for the entire year, and pay the pro rata'd amount for the second for the time it enters the policy, and when the policy expires at 12 months.

Another little bonus if it bothers you at all, IME, if you were to buy a policy now for the KA, and (assuming the LR has 11 months to run right now) agree that the LR enters the policy at month 11 for 1 month only, the renewal documentation for both cars at month 12 will have incremented the LR NCB by 1 year even though the cover has only been in place for a month :D
 
Hmm, I'll run the numbers again when I get home, might work out better after all. Presumably I wouldn't have any problem getting my deposit back quickly that I paid for the Co-op policy if I did decide to cancel?
 
Hmm, I'll run the numbers again when I get home, might work out better after all. Presumably I wouldn't have any problem getting my deposit back quickly that I paid for the Co-op policy if I did decide to cancel?

Might be 'admin charges'
 
We need a legal eagle to answer that one, as far as i know within 14 days you are entitled to a full refund under cooling off FSA rules?
 
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