Steam sales are great. It's the best way to get all PC games on the cheap. Bargains galore, what's there not to like? Only idiots would buy games for £40-£50. I've yet to come across a single game that's worth that amount of money. But companies like Activision & EA are only too happy to churn out the same crap, including DLC and charge you extortionate amounts of money for it. £10-15 for DLC is an absolute rip off. Corporations are obsessed with greed and only idiots support them. Go Steam!
Steam gets almost all the PC games sales now..How do you feel about this ??
- Thread starter chaparral
- Start date
[TW]Fox;23712922 said:
I agree, it is an unpleasant situation. But within the cintext of the current debate (deciding whether steam is better or worse than other game publishers/distributors), it is irrelevant and can be ignored, since it is no worse than others and usually better.
I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say that you are more exceptional than me.
Besides, count up how many old games you play regularly, compare that number to the size of the your catalog. Then, I think you'll see my point still holds.
Actually, before that, I recommended waiting for a cracker to upload a steam crack earlier in the thread...
But consider this: you buy a game on disk which needs no activation. You play it a bit. A few years later, you need to reinstall it, and no cannot find the disk (or maybe, it's one of those irritating DRM schemes where you need to have the disk in whenever you play, and at some point the disk has become scratched).
If it's a game you love, you have no hesitation going out and buying a replacement. This is basically the same situation.
Why is everyone bitching about steam ?
Dont like it then dont use it,i would rather use steam than origin.
Yes im a steam fanboy
Being a Steam fanboy is just as absurd as being an Asda fanboy. It's a retail service, it's nothing to get excited about.
I'm not defending Asda, but is it not worth defending a store that is a pleasure to shop in, as it provides you with a great service and good deals? The essence of brand loyalty is creating something your customers want to return to.
Waitrose is probably a better example than Asda for this.
I can't believe it. Talk about irony, I praised Steam and yet 24 hours later I've been banned for being truthful and honest.
I responded to a steam post about people who bought Bioshock 2 & the Minerva's Den (DLC) which I also bought, which none of us could get working.
I legitimately bought Bioshock 2 off Amazon.co.uk, I also bought the Minerva's DLC off GFWL which didn't work. I spent an entire month with Microsoft customer support and they refused to give me a refund and everything they suggested didn't work. I then simply downloaded Bioshock 2 (I already owned the original) off piratebay and used the serial from the original I bought to install the game and to my surprise the dlc worked straight away. To ban me for that is unbelievable.
I simply suggested on the steam forums to anyone who owned the original that people who have the same problem, who have also bought Bioshock 2 do the same and now I'm banned.
Talk about corporate self interests & corporate whoreism. I've spent at least £500 on PC games on Steam and this is how they treat me.
I responded to a steam post about people who bought Bioshock 2 & the Minerva's Den (DLC) which I also bought, which none of us could get working.
I legitimately bought Bioshock 2 off Amazon.co.uk, I also bought the Minerva's DLC off GFWL which didn't work. I spent an entire month with Microsoft customer support and they refused to give me a refund and everything they suggested didn't work. I then simply downloaded Bioshock 2 (I already owned the original) off piratebay and used the serial from the original I bought to install the game and to my surprise the dlc worked straight away. To ban me for that is unbelievable.
I simply suggested on the steam forums to anyone who owned the original that people who have the same problem, who have also bought Bioshock 2 do the same and now I'm banned.
Talk about corporate self interests & corporate whoreism. I've spent at least £500 on PC games on Steam and this is how they treat me.
Othe retailers shoul dhave sorted their business models out rather than stick to the dross theyhad been runing since the 80's. This is why stores like comet , hmv, woolworths, jessops etc went to the wall. They rested far too much on their laurels and thought they would live for ever.
If other retailers woul dhave adapted earlier and realised the way valve did that on line purchases and game downloads were the future we would actually have a much better choice as consumers rather than the fairly pathetic offerings we have today from the likes of GfWL and Origin.
Steam have literally cornered the market through good business sense, so I guess hats off to them on a good job and as consumers I guess we will eventually get screwed.
I love how everyone complains about the 'Valve fanboys', and then have the audacity to complain about the injustice of EA's business tactics. People (myself included) are Valve fanatical's because they provide a superb service and a retail products at an incredibly good price, and that's because we as consumers constantly demand cheaper goods. Most of us couldn't give a damn about who's earned there dues and who hasn't so long as are wallets are still reasonably heavy. I'm not even going to bring up the tremendous good that Greenlight and SFM are doing for indie dev's and aspiring mediaholics the world over.
Ofcourse Valve aren't perfect! But they care a damn site more about there consumer base then almost any other multi national corporation on the planet. You just can't deny that. Gabe Newell abides by the business rule that is eternally preached but rarely practiced... the customer is always right.
Ofcourse Valve aren't perfect! But they care a damn site more about there consumer base then almost any other multi national corporation on the planet. You just can't deny that. Gabe Newell abides by the business rule that is eternally preached but rarely practiced... the customer is always right.
Yes, but Asda's produce tastes like horse. Valve create genre defining titles. It's that simple.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 12 Mar 2009
- Posts
- 26,778
Anybody remember the Novalogic games which ALWAYS came with that cardboard overlay which you stuck on the top row of your keyboard? The Delta Force series used them quite a lot and a couple of others too, can't remember the names of all of them but I do remember Black Hawk Down, Commanche 4, Land Warrior, Joint Ops and erm... Armoured Fist.
But that's the point, they're not "an incredibly good price" because (sales aside) you can find the same games Steam sell for cheaper elsewhere much of the time, and they often activate on Steam anyway.
That places like GMG, Gamefly, Amazon etc are now proving to be very competitively-priced makes it rather obvious that Steam is, and always has been, rather overpriced for new releases and regular games when there isn't a sale on. Even then, you only had to read the Steam Christmas Sale thread on here to see that people were rather disappointed with what was on offer.
That's not to say that Steam won't continue to be a positive influence on PC gaming and it's certainly helped keep PC gaming alive and well as the physical retail market has given up on it, but there's still plenty more they could be doing. You 'Steam fanboys' need a bit of a reality check it appears.
Associate
- Joined
- 7 Feb 2009
- Posts
- 2,128
Talk about corporate self interests & corporate whoreism. I've spent at least £500 on PC games on Steam and this is how they treat me.
This is why physical product will always be better than digital content.
The thing is, you cant dismiss "(sales aside)" as if its not a factor in steam pricing, because they have so many sales: every day, midweek, weekend, multiple bigger events during the year, etc.
For games you don't want RIGHT NOW and can wait for, it's excellent, because a sale of the game you want (with a few exceptions) isn't usually far away.
And now they've added a feature where they give you an email alert if a game in your wishlist goes on sale.
I can't believe it. Talk about irony, I praised Steam and yet 24 hours later I've been banned for being truthful and honest.
I responded to a steam post about people who bought Bioshock 2 & the Minerva's Den (DLC) which I also bought, which none of us could get working.
I legitimately bought Bioshock 2 off Amazon.co.uk, I also bought the Minerva's DLC off GFWL which didn't work. I spent an entire month with Microsoft customer support and they refused to give me a refund and everything they suggested didn't work. I then simply downloaded Bioshock 2 (I already owned the original) off piratebay and used the serial from the original I bought to install the game and to my surprise the dlc worked straight away. To ban me for that is unbelievable.
I simply suggested on the steam forums to anyone who owned the original that people who have the same problem, who have also bought Bioshock 2 do the same and now I'm banned.
Talk about corporate self interests & corporate whoreism. I've spent at least £500 on PC games on Steam and this is how they treat me.
You posted on official Steam forums, a digital games distribution platform, suggesting people pirate a game they sell as a workaround.
I understand your frustration with the DLC but you were absolutely idiotic to think nothing would come of your actions....
Whats absurd about being a fanboy ?
There is people who like nvidia better than ati (not going down that road),its what works for the person and it works very well for me.
Who cares who gets the money,i buy a game and play it,not really bothered if they make or lose money over it,steam works and its a simple as that !
Steams PR (BS) dept is running hot. though if you dont work for them LOL, a automatic propaganda generating husk, rof lol's. lol when you added that "they care"
If you have to ask...
You can though. Retail by its nature is reliant on sales and promotions to attract customers, but they can (and should) still come under fire when they're noticeably more expensive than the competition.
Personally I'd argue that the sheer number of sales they seem to have these days is diluting what the 'Steam Sale' actually is. The one over Christmas seemed to indicate that too, it was disappointing for many people because there wasn't anything new or different in there. It was the same stuff we'd seen a couple of months before, and then a couple of months before that, and a few months before that...
Anybody remember the Novalogic games which ALWAYS came with that cardboard overlay which you stuck on the top row of your keyboard? The Delta Force series used them quite a lot and a couple of others too, can't remember the names of all of them but I do remember Black Hawk Down, Commanche 4, Land Warrior, Joint Ops and erm... Armoured Fist.
Arh yeh I got them with the Delta Force series, Delta Force 2 and Delta Force Land Warrior spring to mind. Found them really useful!
I'm a Steam convert, it's just convenient. No more trying to download game patches at a stupidly slow rate because everyone else is trying to get it at the same time. I think the interface is great, the overlay is immensely useful.
I sometimes wonder if the Steam sales have had a big impact on bringing piracy numbers down. When something is that cheap, there's no point pirating and risking anything nasty bundled with the "warez" getting on to your computer.
I've had to cave in and install Origin to play ME3 and it's just not as good IMO, plus my generally negative attitude towards EA ("here's half a game, now buy the rest in DLC!") means I just want to complete the game and then uninstall it ASAP.
I sometimes wonder if the Steam sales have had a big impact on bringing piracy numbers down. When something is that cheap, there's no point pirating and risking anything nasty bundled with the "warez" getting on to your computer.
I've had to cave in and install Origin to play ME3 and it's just not as good IMO, plus my generally negative attitude towards EA ("here's half a game, now buy the rest in DLC!") means I just want to complete the game and then uninstall it ASAP.
From what i read of his post he wasn't suggesting anyone to pirate anything, he said people that own the "ORIGINAL" should re-download the content and install the game again.
According to Steams own T&C's you are only purchasing a licsense to use the games content (you don't own it) it does not matter where that content comes from as long as you purchase that licsense in the first place.
So he actually did nothing wrong.