Windows 8 who's buying/upgrading

Elevon · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:50

Tute said:
My rig takes 6 seconds from button press to Windows login screen. Are you going to tell me that if I take time to learn Metro, and spend money on a new OS, that you'll get it down to 5.5s?

Well whoopee-do, sign me up!

Win8 boot time will be quicker but that's besides the point,the real question you are asking is what does Win8 offer over 7?....well how about refresh and reset,improved task manager,improved security,Microsoft Store,longer battery life on portable gear,snap view multi tasking,I could go on but you see my point.

Win8 IMHO( I've upgraded three PCs from win7) just feels snappier,quicker and once you learn how to use Win8 even Metro feels natural now(still not perfect however),I like a lot of little tweaks/added features it has,I'm not saying you should buy Win8 thats up to you,but my point is to me its an improvemnt over Win7 for sure.

I consider myself a desktop and gamer user as well.

I applaud Microsoft for dropping the old almost 20 year old UI,(about time it went way of dodo )to something new.

Speaking of gaming I've yet to find a game I can't run,however sure there must be one out there,I said samething for Win7 too

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Glaucus · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:52

I've got nothing against you not liking it. That's fine.

And you haven't given any reason. It has no new features, that is wrong, totally and utterly wrong. So other than that how is it a slap in the face for a power user or game?

Games run and very fast, all old features are still there and new features have been added, so how is that a slap in the face to power users?

Again this boils down to you not liking metro, on its own that's fine. But you see the need to justify it so make up rubbish.

A few reason, I'm interested in tech and OSs as that's the basis on how good the hard ware is. Without an os hardware is nothing.
MS is losing massive marketshare and could well of ended up like Nokia or Blackberry, if they didn't change tactics and keep up with modern technology. You just have to look at sales and stats to realise how far behind MS is getting. All looks Rosie if you only look at desktop figures although you still have to ignore sales figures. If you look at the computer market as a whole, they aren't doing well at all.

I like w8 and what it means for the future. I use several devices and I what that experience on all. At the moment only w8 comes close to doing this.
Ms a also wins big points for making apps for android and iOS(due out latter this year), which means it'll be the only one of the three which means if you buy a film or what ever will be able to use it on any device.

iOS I can not see ever opening up like android or MS

Android I can't see closing it down a bit, although there are signs that this may start happening now. Android is to open. This causes several issues in multiple areas. For a start users can buy crap phones that are to slow to run the OS, the market is to open for abuse from apps, etc.

Tute · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:53

These are still negligible things - they are small improvements that someone with a well patched, well specced gaming PC won't see the majority of the benefit of.

gareth170 · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:54

Tute said:
What boot times were you getting with Fast Boot in Windows 7 then?

between 10-20s sometimes 30s

Glaucus · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:56

Tute said:
These are still negligible things - they are small improvements that someone with a well patched, well specced gaming PC won't see the majority of the benefit of.

That depends what they are doing.
Again this isn't what you said either.

As a gamer, that's pretty much all my desktop is used for these days, as well as programming like arduino and I will soon have a 3d printer.

The boot time is worth the money on its own. Let alone the refresh system, that I've created a custom image for after I installed everything.
Yeah you can get third party apps, but that's not the point.

Tute · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:56

Glaucus said:
I've got nothing against you not liking it. That's fine.

And you haven't given any reason. It has no new features, that is wrong, totally and utterly wrong. So other than that how is it a slap in the face for a power user or game?

Games run and very fast, all old features are still there and new features have been added, so how is that a slap in the face to power users?

Again this boils down to you not liking metro, on its own that's fine. But you see the need to justify it so make up rubbish.

It's not rubbish. I've just told you how those new features do not justify the upgrade or use for gamers or power users. They are small improvements which are absolutely great but you're asking someone to bother to learn and get used to Metro for the benefit of a slightly faster boot, or a task manager they'll never use, or a recovery console they will never use, etc. etc.

A few reason, I'm interested in tech and OSs as that's the basis on how good the hard ware is. Without an os hardware is nothing.
mS is losing massive marketshare and could well of ended up like Nokia or Blackberry, if they didn't change tactics and keep up with modern technology. You just have to look at sales and stats to realise how far behind MS is getting. All looks Rosie if you only look at desktop figures although you still have to ignore sales figures. If you look at the computer market as a whole, they aren't doing well at all.
I like w8 and what it means for the future. I use several devices and I what that experience on all. At the moment only w8 comes close to doing this.
Ms a also wins big points for making apps for android and iOS(due out latter this year), which means it'll be the only one of the three which means if you buy a film or what ever will be able to use it on any device.

I would still roll out Apple as the primary example of a company selling "trendy" goods - yet they are still keeping OSX and iOS development entirely separate.

I still think Microsoft will lose market share over this in the long run.

Tute · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:57

gareth170 said:
between 10-20s sometimes 30s

You're telling me that with Fast Boot and a Crucial M4 you were getting boot times like that?

Glaucus said:
That depends what they are doing.
Again this isn't what you said either.

It absolutely is.

gareth170 · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:58

u have to remember shutdown in win8 = hibernation

Elevon · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:59

Tute said:
It's not rubbish. I've just told you how those new features do not justify the upgrade or use for gamers or power users. They are small improvements which are absolutely great but you're asking someone to bother to learn and get used to Metro for the benefit of a slightly faster boot, or a task manager they'll never use, or a recovery console they will never use, etc. etc.

I would still roll out Apple as the primary example of a company selling "trendy" goods - yet they are still keeping OSX and iOS development entirely separate.

I still think Microsoft will lose market share over this in the long run.

I've to disagree with you,I'm a gamer and have you ever been to Microsoft store,plenty of free games to download ,especially if you can't afford to buy Steam/Origin games

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Bottomline more game choices with Win8 then Win7.

Btw you keep bringing up Metro,you don't have to even use Metro for the most part,I spend more time either in gaming or browser(via desktop) then in Metro,besides less then a second to switch between Metro and old style desktop.

Reptile Guy · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:59

Ok Thanks

Glaucus · 10 Feb 2013 at 14:59

Tute said:
I would still roll out Apple as the primary example of a company selling "trendy" goods - yet they are still keeping OSX and iOS development entirely separate.

I still think Microsoft will lose market share over this in the long run.

Apple isn't just a software manufacture though. There sales also aren't great. That may sound odd to begin with. But they are the only supplier and all being gobbled up by android sales.
However due to apples start any, company profile etc. they don't need to be a volume pusher. They are a luxury brand and demand a premium.
Also there are signs of adding features between iOS and Osx and I bet you they will merge.

And it is rubbish, if the features don't justfy the upgrade for you that's fine.
Taht however in no way translates to w8 has no new features or it's a slap in the face.
My issue is not that you don't see it as a worthwhile upgrade or that you don't like metro. It's with the stupid statements.

gareth170 · 10 Feb 2013 at 15:01

Tute said:
You're telling me that with Fast Boot and a Crucial M4 you were getting boot times like that?

fast boot and ultra fast boot bios features on my broad is only for win8

the post is very quick on my board

V F · 10 Feb 2013 at 15:36

Elevon said:
I applaud Microsoft for dropping the old almost 20 year old UI,(about time it went way of dodo )to something new.

Now, if only Microsoft could fix the font rendering in future Windows. These skinny fonts do my head in. I prefer OS X's font rendering to Windows.

gareth170 said:
u have to remember shutdown in win8 = hibernation

Ah, that explains the uptime.

gareth170 said:
the post is very quick on my board

Thats true. They don't beep, and the splash logo appears for like 1 second. Even before that there's no long black screen. It just appears then gone and you see Windows loading.

The only time I ever hear a beep is when you enter the BIOS.

iMacMart · 10 Feb 2013 at 15:51

I had a mere when I tried W8 the other week, pc booted to black screen wouldn't shut down properly either gave up in the end and went back to W7

Maybe in another 6 months

Mart

demonix · 10 Feb 2013 at 16:41

gareth170 said:
u have to remember shutdown in win8 = hibernation

Unless you have a shutdown button on the start screen (although I stopped using it after creating one as I'd gotten sick and tired of switching the Wi-Fi off each time I started up my laptop in windows 7 which happens if I used the shutdown.exe process in windows 8 )

wazza300 · 10 Feb 2013 at 17:23

one thing has made windows 8 bearable and thats stardock start8 program,now i can use windows 8 they way it shouldve been

have to admit its pretty good os

badcompany · 10 Feb 2013 at 17:27

its better now I am dual screening it but that start8 looks good is it worth the purchase?

wazza300 · 10 Feb 2013 at 18:05

Yeah if your used to windows 7,you have 30 day free trial

Minstadave · 10 Feb 2013 at 19:26

Tute said:
I do have a Fast Boot setting but it disables keyboard during boot so I have it turned off in case I need to get into settings. But I have a "Fast VGA" option which tunes it down a good couple of seconds.

What boot times were you getting with Fast Boot in Windows 7 then?

I agree with your viewpoint, unfortunately this thread seems incapable of dealing with any criticism of windows 8.

I will be going to the trouble of a fresh install of 7 as 8 is not as useful to me as its predecessor.

Elevon · 10 Feb 2013 at 19:38

Minstadave said:
I agree with your viewpoint, unfortunately this thread seems incapable of dealing with any criticism of windows 8.

I will be going to the trouble of a fresh install of 7 as 8 is not as useful to me as its predecessor.

That's not true,personally I feel Metro can be improved(hope to see improvements and more customization with regards to Metro in Win9),personally Win7 was a minor upgrade over Vista IMHO(only really offered speed improvements),however if you try and say anything negative about Win7 well you know what happens,Win8 however is a whole new ball game redesigned OS with new Ui etc...so I expected some imperfections so to speak,having said that its a polished OS with regards to stability etc...sure UI will be tweaked improved in Win9 but nothing really wrong with Win8 as it stands,at least it offers more new features then Win7 ever did over Vista,now watch Win7 fans go quiet .

Vista to Win7 more or less samething except for speed improvements.

Win7 to Win8,new UI with more versatile OS and added features,better pricing too.