Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling

Yes this is from the 'Torygraph' and no I don't agree with the Headline but there are a lot of inconvenient truths in this which I don't think we can just ignore because of Tory 'snobbery' (the writer actually claims to be a lefty)....

If he is a lefty then im Stalin.Abolish all welfare for 18-25's well oh my god :confused:

Is that the new cool trick these days? Disguise yourself as a lefty and say right lads even i think welfare is not working.The moron should read this thread about where the money is going.

And he mentions Karl Marxx hahaha.Has he ever once sat down and wondered what the world looks like as a 18-25 year old? A world where every bit of real estate and way of feeding yourself is pre owned by some rich toff who got his money handed down by daddy? The only choice is to toil all your life to have access to food and water?

Im all for the abolishment of benefits if inheritance and land ownership is taken away from frugal lords.
 
Yes this is from the 'Torygraph' and no I don't agree with the Headline but there are a lot of inconvenient truths in this which I don't think we can just ignore because of Tory 'snobbery' (the writer actually claims to be a lefty)....

That he descends to character assassination and mockery says it all.

To turn just one thing he said on its head...

to have the state sustain all young adults who fall on tough times; to have the authorities feed, water, clothe and care for every graduate or school-leaver who doesn’t immediately land a plush job and cheap digs. There is nothing remotely radical, nothing Rosa Luxemburgish about this demand. It is in essence a campaign to extend teenage dependency into adult life, where the state takes over the role of parents in being expected to satiate young folks’ needs and stroke their self-esteem. How hilarious that the Cait cheerleaders talk about “slavery” while metaphorically manacling themselves to the state.

The same state that couldn't manage its business well enough that it resulted in these conditions of hard times in the first place?
 
That he descends to character assassination and mockery says it all.

And of the course the likes of the Guardian never bring up Cameron and Osbourne's 'posh' background do they?

To turn just one thing he said on its head...



The same state that couldn't manage its business well enough that it resulted in these conditions of hard times in the first place?

I thought that was the banks? Besides, the crash happened under Labour anyway.
 
Good for you, make sure you don't get a nose bleed up that high. You must feel great that you've never been on JSA, look at all those dirty plebs that have. As for your Jeremy Kyle/PS3 nonsense you should stop reading the Daily Mail.

You can be as angry and aggressive with what I post as much as you like, but as long as non english speakers (who travel across continent without any guarantee of employment, no government or family to sponsort their stay and give them pocket money to search for work) manage to beat local workforce to paid positions, especially for jobs that don't require any more qualifications than a Pole, Romanian or Portugese fella straight from the ferry can offer, I am sorry to say, the problem must be with how the local jobseekers approach employers and interviews.

Because there is simply no way in hell, that any employer in this country would offer job that doesn't require any special training to a foreigner with basic communication skills over a Brit. On most basic level of employment, be it driving job, dishwasher position or a weekend waiter gig at the local Harvester. British workforce CAN NOT LOSE at this game. It's impossible to do. Not unless they are doing it wrong. Not unless their CV is even worse than the google translated page full of unpronounceable doodles Janek Foreignerski submitted. Or unless their approach to interview is as tactful, respectful and full of finesse as your reply to me. As long as fruit picking or shelf stacker jobs keep going to people who travelled 2000 miles instead of someone who lives 2 miles away, I will be expecting you to just try that much harder.

I'm not saying this to aggravate you, or to be mean, but to point a simple gaping hole in the myth of jobs not being out there.


Get VERY bored of people like yourself who think you are above job seekers and tar them all with the same brush and spare me the "you might not be a dosser but a lot are" reply.

I'll admit, that in my general disappointment with today's youth whining about jobs not being available while thousands of Central and Eastern Europeans manage to get them on weekly basis I did not take into the account true outskirts of Britain and psychological factors. Ie. I can imagine finding job might be much harder somewhere in north west and/or if you are some kind of wallflower, introvert, etc.

That said however. Anyone under age of 30, still on JSA after a year, needs a massive wake up call. After 6 or 12 months of hitting brick wall you should know better. You have to step back and look at it rationally. In any other economy outside of this little paradise island, in any other time than this one, after 12 months of unemployment, you would be knocking on Salvation Army doors every evening for food and shelter. It doesn't matter whether you are "dosser" or not, after 12 months, especially if you are young, strong, healthy, it has to be "tarred with the same brush". There is no other way. And just think of the irony - how many Caroses, Constantins and Janeks will have to be imported to counter the tax weight of million young people who try hard but fail for such a long time...

You don't "pay for me" any more than you pay the wages of the police, do you go up to the police when they stop you for whatever reason and go "omg I pay your wages".

Not sure you fully understand this system. Police provides service for us? And yes, "we" (as a society) do go and remind them, every time they do something stupid or are wasteful, that they do so for our money. Put "police taxpayers money" into google uk, plenty of "reminders" in media to see.
 
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Because there is simply no way in hell, that any employer in this country would offer job that doesn't require any special training to a foreigner with basic communication skills over a Brit. On most basic level of employment, be it driving job, dishwasher position or a weekend waiter gig at the local Harvester. British workforce CAN NOT LOSE at this game. It's impossible to do. Not unless they are doing it wrong. Not unless their CV is even worse than the google translated page full of unpronounceable doodles Janek Foreignerski submitted. Or unless their approach to interview is as tactful, respectful and full of finesse as your reply to me. As long as fruit picking or shelf stacker jobs keep going to people who travelled 2000 miles instead of someone who lives 2 miles away, I will be expecting you to just try that much harder.

I do think you're missing an element that many migrants and immigrants actually work within the "Black economy" do you think all the lads at the car wash are paid via PAYE or cash in hand? The same for those woking in the local kebab/curry house. Some of these apparent "employers" who seem to thrive on foreign nationals simply don't contribute to the system anyway. It's illegal and a closed shop to outsiders. It was highlighted a little while back that some employers actively seek foreign national and employ them that many are actually earning below the minumum wage, the same can be said for seasonal fruit pickers.

It's not as simple as saying I'm prepared to do anything, I've been rejected in the past for being "Over qualified" How you can be over qualified for anything is simply beyond me.
 
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See that's one area where the system should be changed to enable people to avail themselves of such opportunities. If they are prepared to do a deal with Poundland for instance, why not any company that has a position that is more relevant to qualifications, aspirations, etc. I'm sure if the govenment said we'll put £70 if you match it, would create many more properly focused positions that people would want to be in.

I would suppose the potential issue is that other companies may be looking fora certain skillset, even among people there for work experience. Under a government scheme, they may loose the option to choose or fire.

It's certainly an idea worth exploring though.
 
It's not as simple as saying I'm prepared to do anything, I've been rejected in the past for being "Over qualified" How you can be over qualified for anything is simply beyond me.

Its one of the most irritating things I've had to deal with while job hunting got it a lot no matter how much I tried to dumb down my CV - ironically I applied for a position in one area (of the country) and got the "over qualified" response but then applied for exactly the same role in another area for the same company (near parents) and was hired on the spot.
 
It's not as simple as saying I'm prepared to do anything, I've been rejected in the past for being "Over qualified" How you can be over qualified for anything is simply beyond me.

Some companies don't want to hire overqualified people as it's likely they won't stick around, I know that was the policy in the previous place I worked in. Of course in my opinion they were shooting themselves in the foot as they constantly employed idiots.
 
I've done the interviewing in the past, in truth tiny things can tip the balance, some nothing to do with qualifications. Do they have their transport, how sociable they are, how enthusiastic they are. Some of those things are impossible to convey in a CV. The problem is if you have 300 CV's to work through it can be very difficult not be harsh with selection criteria and mis deserving candidates.
 
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Some companies don't want to hire overqualified people as it's likely they won't stick around, I know that was the policy in the previous place I worked in. Of course in my opinion they were shooting themselves in the foot as they constantly employed idiots.

Qualifications don't stop you being an idiot. Even I have a few! :D
 
as one of the comments on there says, who are these unnamed dwp sources, would be interesting to see how some of these civil servants would handle living on jsa for a few weeks while working in poundland.
 
Miss Reilly complained that she was made to work at the budget retail store and complete “menial tasks” such as sweeping the floors and stocking shelves.

Mr Wilson, a qualified mechanic, was told that he had to work unpaid, cleaning furniture for 30 hours a week for six months, under a scheme known as the Community Action Programme.

Don't feel much/any sympathy for having to do "menial" work... but as per the original topic the 30 hours/threat of sanctions is bang out of order.

“The short, sharp shock is usually enough to get the work-shy back into employment so the plan is to extend the practice, not retreat in the wake of this odd court decision.”

Disgraceful. More likely push people to abuse the system more and/or turn towards criminal activity. (EDIT: I have no sympathy for work shy people either but this isn't the way to deal with them - even tho its a typical knee jerk response of many people - and it makes it even more misreable for people who are genuinely trying to find work but not having much luck with it).
 
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Don't feel much/any sympathy for having to do "menial" work... but as per the original topic the 30 hours/threat of sanctions is bang out of order.

My thinking exactly.

Everyone has done a crappy job at some point, we have all had (not literlary all, some are lucky) to have had to do work all week that we hate.
But at the end of that week/month you get your paycheck and, willingly, do it again. With the scheme as it is, there's no paycheck, no plus side to the work. How exactly will that encourage the workshy to go and find employment? All the have seen is the downsides to working. It isn't going to do anything for the short-term unemployed either, they already know working for a living isn't so bad.
 
Funny how they dont mention: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...mes-Expenses-watchdogs-are-picking-on-me.html

So Dorries daughter can stay at home (alone and probably throwing a party) while she is away in the jungle all the while everyone pays thier rent and nothing is said? Then there is an uproar about people refusing to work 30 hours for what amounts to well under minimum wage.

Then she claims that someone pressed the submit button twice.What kind of moron member of staff cannot manage to hit a button? Ends up doing it twice and they still dont ring up and get it cancelled but it ends up going through and picked up my the newpapers.

Haha
 
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or this http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article4796055.ece

you got fired why do you still have the taxpayers ipad in your hand ??

Nicely found sir :cool:

£400 on an Ipad goes to show just how much waste there is at top level goverment.Ipads for everyone and 40k a year upon retirement,expenses paid including travel and free rent.

Can anyone name a job that even gives anything close to that? Maybe a top exec at google but its just out of this world the amount of money they are taking while crying about £71 a week.

Dont forget the biscuit bill as well.Big fat eric pickles needs your money to keep his energy levels up.
 
It's endemic in the system in which they operate. There are clearly one set of rules for the working (or not working) man. And a subsidised lifestyle if you are an MP looking down at the proles from on high.

"Figures released under FoI show that in 2007/8, House of Commons catering had an income of £7,173,800, against an expenditure of £12,625,800 - meaning a subsidy of £5,452,000."

Bearing in mind that there are only 600 odd MP's that's £9000+ EACH in food alone, or more than they pay a year to someone on JSA (£71 X 52 = £3692)

I typical lunch in the Houses of Parliament can cost more than they are prepared to pay someone for working 30 hours.

Check out some of the menus here and remember you are looking at subsidised prices...

http://www.parliament.uk/site-infor...y-march-2011/catering-and-retail-prices-2011/
 
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What the Public and Commercial Services Union have said..

We believe a ruling by appeal court judges should mean the end of the government's workfare schemes.

The details of today's (Tuesday 12) judgement in the Cait Reilly and Jamie Wilson cases are still being studied.

But we welcome the fact the judges overturned the original verdict and agreed the pair were unlawfully forced to work for no wages.

We represent almost 80,000 of the Department for Work and Pensions’ 100,000 staff.

We successfully steered a motion through last year’s TUC congress calling for all work to be optional and paid and for back-to-work schemes to be brought back in-house.

Our members in jobcentres and advice centres will offer guidance and support to all those affected by the ruling, including those who have been unjustly sanctioned.

We also reaffirm our support for campaign groups, including Boycott Workfare, opposed to schemes, some of which now appear to be unlawful.

The judgement comes on the day we publish our ‘Britain needs a pay rise’ report, highlighting the effect of low wages on our economy.

Far from offering sustainable employment, workfare schemes are ineffective and exacerbate a low-wage economy.

Responding to the judgement PCS general secretary Mark Serwotka said: “This is a very significant ruling that we believe supports what we have said all along, that no one should be forced to work without pay.

“The government can not continue to help private companies and charities to exploit people who are out of work, and these schemes must surely now be scrapped and the work brought back in-house.”

http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/news_and_e...ws.cfm/id/9089D191-C03C-4672-B44EC39EA0A92D96
 
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