Where are the 660SE's?

mranderson · 18 Feb 2013 at 13:26

They were announced a while ago but haven't hit the UK market. Are they available elsewhere? The should be priced under £140 which is not bad.

johnerz · 18 Feb 2013 at 13:46

I have never heard of them, and have not seen them, just looked on the EVGA US site and no mention of them there

With any luck the just to be dropped in Titan, may have a knock on down effect on current prices after a couple of weeks or so

mranderson · 18 Feb 2013 at 18:42

SPecs and some benches have leaked already
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_se.html

humbug · 18 Feb 2013 at 18:50

mranderson said:
SPecs and some benches have leaked already
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_se.html

NVIDIA is preparing to release a GeForce GTX 660 SE according to some unrevealed sources over in China. This card reportedly competes with the Radeon HD 7850, it promises performance between the GeForce GTX 650 Ti and GeForce GTX 660. If released the card would have 768 shader cores, down from 960 on the GeForce GTX 660, and has a core clockspeed of 928MHz (vs 960MHz). Some benchmarks are posted after the break.
The boost clockspeed is also reduced from 1033MHz to 1006MHz, and the memory runs at 5800MHz (vs 6008MHz on the GTX 660).The memory bus is 192-bit and the card has one 6-pin PCIe power connector and DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort outputs

IMO, pointless GPU as the 7850 competes with the standard GTX 660, having a slower than GTX 660 > GTX 660 at what i would assume would be 7850 prices isn't going to fix Nvidia over pricing. Its just another Nvidia GPU priced above its performance bracket.

mranderson · 18 Feb 2013 at 18:52

It will be cheaper than the 7850 with the recent drop of 660 non ti prices.

humbug · 18 Feb 2013 at 18:59

mranderson said:
It will be cheaper than the 7850 with the recent drop of 660 non ti prices.

Depends, cheapest GTX 660 £180, cheapest 7850 2GB £162, 1GB £132.

mranderson · 18 Feb 2013 at 19:07

Not talking about 1GB cards.
The 660 is closer to the 7870 and the 660se will be cheaper while delivering similar and possibly slightly better performance than the 7850.

The Running Man · 18 Feb 2013 at 19:08

660 non TI prices are about £162 for a non ref board. If you pay more, you're overpaying.

mranderson · 18 Feb 2013 at 19:26

660SE should be around £140 so a better buy unless 7850's drop to £120 (which they did for a while- no reason not to happen again)

Bacon? · 18 Feb 2013 at 20:27

mranderson said:
Not talking about 1GB cards.
The 660 is closer to the 7870 and the 660se will be cheaper while delivering similar and possibly slightly better performance than the 7850.

No the 660 is currently slightly lower than 7850 levels when both are overclocked. The 660ti competes more with a high end 7870 which again is cheaper and performs better.

spoffle · 18 Feb 2013 at 20:29

It would be completely pointless, there'd be way too many 660 variants.

The less cards, the better really. You don't want another repeat of the 8800 days where towards the end of the 8800 line, there were about 10 different 8800 based variants.

mranderson · 18 Feb 2013 at 23:00

Bacon? said:
No the 660 is currently slightly lower than 7850 levels when both are overclocked. The 660ti competes more with a high end 7870 which again is cheaper and performs better.

Overclocking headroom is not guaranteed so I would go with how they perform at default clocks. The 660 not Ti at default is faster than a 7850.

humbug · 18 Feb 2013 at 23:12

mranderson said:
Overclocking headroom is not guaranteed so I would go with how they perform at default clocks. The 660 not Ti at default is faster than a 7850.

The 7850 is so underclocked its almost imposible for it not to clock higher.

Its a 7870 with a few less cores and a 17% lower clock speed.

your right of course, there is no such thing as a guaranteed clock speed, but that concept can also be taken a little to far, some perspective. The 7850 is running at practically nothing out of the box to keep it significantly behind the 7870 in benchmarks.
I have yet to see a 7850 that did not manage at least a 30% overclock, some people are pushing the overclocks as much as 50%
You would have to be extremely unlucky to get one that would be 'at that' considered a pretty low average overclock for a 7870, which has the same chip.

ALXAndy · 18 Feb 2013 at 23:19

spoffle said:
It would be completely pointless, there'd be way too many 660 variants.

The less cards, the better really. You don't want another repeat of the 8800 days where towards the end of the 8800 line, there were about 10 different 8800 based variants.

Apparently though it is coming. Why I have no idea in all honesty but I guess Nvidia want to have a range to suit any buyer.

Even though some of their low end choices are completely stupid.

They've made a habit of that in recent times though. The 450 GTS and 550 were pointless wastes of time.

Bacon? · 19 Feb 2013 at 22:37

mranderson said:
Overclocking headroom is not guaranteed so I would go with how they perform at default clocks. The 660 not Ti at default is faster than a 7850.

Overclocking headroom is pretty much garunteed. Just depends on how much. I've never seen a 7850 go below 30% clock speed. Which brings it above a 660 of equal level.

mranderson · 19 Feb 2013 at 22:39

I have seen so it is not guaranteed.

Bacon? · 19 Feb 2013 at 22:39

And where have you seen this where the card has not been one of poor quality? And also was this a single card on its own? A 1/100 chance is nothing.

mranderson · 19 Feb 2013 at 23:28

Exactly my point. Not sure what you mean by 1/100 is nothing. I was taught that 0/100 is nothing.

humbug · 20 Feb 2013 at 00:04

For those who think they will be so unlucky that they would end up with a 7850 that will not overclock. Why not just get one of the ones that has a huge factory overclock, like this one for same money as any other low priced 7850, and there in save yourself the difference from the GTX 660.

Job done!

mranderson · 20 Feb 2013 at 09:12

How is a 15% oc huge when people expect at least a 30% oc?