Fat tax

[Glaucus]

You are aware that beef stock raised on 75% grass diets (as much of the British Cattle are) is going to have similar levels of leanness and omega fats etc as 100%...it is only when compared to predominantly grain fed beef stock that the differences are measurable.

And a diet should be low carb, low fat and high protein. Also grass fed cattle doesn't necessarily mean it is not subject to antibiotics or other chemicals and production techniques. Sometimes it is better to select your own cuts and then you can see the leanness of the cut and talk to the butcher about the best cuts for your requirements.

That isn't the case, especially when fattened on grain just before slaughter.
I know, you'll notice the stuff I buy mentions such things as antibiotics.
I don't wont lean, fat is an essential part of the diet and not something to be scared off. Low carb, low fat high protein means uncontrollable bowl movements.

Slightly off topic, but there's a nice huge number crunching chart somewhere, about cholestrol. To little is actually far worse than to much. With ideal range being 200-300mg iirc. Although that's only statistical not clinical. But interesting non the less.

 

[metbandit1]

Personally, I would like alcohol to be taxed even more heavily.


/runs

Do you know for every 9 gallons of 4% beer the brewer has to pay ~£30.
That's 42p per pint, its costs half that to make the stuff.
Not including the 20% VAT the brewer has to pay once its sold, or the 20% VAT then paid on the pint that is sold in the pub.

Tax it more you say???

 

[Glaucus]

If that's what you think I said, then I refer you to the post you quoted, again.

How does it solve the problem? These diet drinks are worse than the sugary ones, because your body still reacts as if it's had sugar.

Aspartame and the other fake sweeteners are things to avoid in anyone's diet, if you're gonna drink fizzy sweet drinks, just drink the proper stuff and get it over with.

How is that not what you said. Come on tell us what you actually meant and back it up.

 

[Castiel]

That isn't the case, especially when fattened on grain just before slaughter.

Most cattle in the UK are fed forage, which is predominantly Grass. Only those people who follow the faddy Paleo Diet are really going to be affected by the levels of grain in British sources beef.

I don't wont lean, fat is an essential part of the diet and not something to be scared off. Low carb, low fat high protein means uncontrollable bowl movements.

You get fats in any number of ways, including lean meats, like I said you can talk to your butcher as to your specific requirements, be they for fatty or lean cuts. And with a balanced diet you should not have uncontrollable bowel movements...I am very regular and eat a varied diet that gives the protein element of my diet preference.

 

[Glaucus]

Most cattle are not forage at all. They are forage in summer only. That differed from us where they don't even do that.

A common well knowen side effect of Hp, Lc, LF is uncontrollable bowl movements but I suppose it depends what you mean by low fat.

 

[manic111]

Before doing any thing as insane as taxing fat, can we at least review the scientific studies and do a u-turn on healthy diet policy please. etc

I agree, but I also agree with the principle of taxing more unhealthy foods more heavily, to pay for the burden which they put on the NHS. People who eat well and exercise shouldn't have to pay through the nose for others to sit around and eat junk.

EDIT: I also agree fully with what Freefaller has said about education being the best means. I work with a guy who pays £5 a week just to let Weight Watchers weigh him, and tell him what to eat for the next week. Yet he still doesn't know what constitutes a healthy diet. Unless he wants to be paying for Weight Watchers for the rest of his life, he needs to learn what healthy eating consists of. It's obviously not just a problem with him, but this really epitomises the attitude of a lot of people.

 

[413x]

I'm quite happy for this to come in

 

[R.P.L]

I agree, but I also agree with the principle of taxing more unhealthy foods more heavily, to pay for the burden which they put on the NHS. People who eat well and exercise shouldn't have to pay through the nose for others to sit around and eat junk.

EDIT: I also agree fully with what Freefaller has said about education being the best means. I work with a guy who pays £5 a week just to let Weight Watchers weigh him, and tell him what to eat for the next week. Yet he still doesn't know what constitutes a healthy diet. Unless he wants to be paying for Weight Watchers for the rest of his life, he needs to learn what healthy eating consists of. It's obviously not just a problem with him, but this really epitomises the attitude of a lot of people.

But the way I see it, if this guy is willing to pay a fiver per week rather than learn how to eat properly, he's probably not going to be very receptive if someone tries to teach him. That's why I say that the problem isn't lack of information, because the information is all available, and very readily so with the internet and everything.

 

[Castiel]

Most cattle are not forage at all. They are forage in summer only. That differed from us where they don't even do that.

That is not what every source I have read tonight states.

A common well knowen side effect of Hp, Lc, LF is uncontrollable bowl movements but I suppose it depends what you mean by low fat.

If you take it to extremes then anything will disrupt your digestive system, but a balanced diet will not do it. A Paleo one might.

 

[MrMoonX]

Just to check.

Are you putting a McDonald's meal as equally bad as meat and dairy products?

Not as bad, but neither are great for your body.

 

[LOAM]

Are they going to weigh us at the tills to establish if the tax is applicable to us?.

 

[J-FRO]

How about a doctor endorsed licence in order to purchase confectionery and non-alcoholic fizzy drinks (with the exception of premises which are licensed to sell alcohol for the latter) at regular prices. This way the docs can give all the healthy people a licence, unhealthy people don't get one and due to having no licence have to pay like an extra 10% on all qualifying items so as to subsidise the NHS for the added burden the fatties place on it.

 

[LOAM]

It's just not going to work, people who want to eat / drink rubbish still will and its more likely that they will simply reduce the volume of purchased decent food to facilitate it. If the government was actually serious about it and not just looking to increase their income they would subsidise healthy food options.

 

[Efour]

Jeez i came back to see how this thread had developed and all i want now is an ice cold glass of Orange Tango

 

[LOAM]

Drop the tango fat boy!

 

[Glaucus]

If you take it to extremes then anything will disrupt your digestive system, but a balanced diet will not do it. A Paleo one might.

paleo is not low fat, nor unbalanced.

 

[Castiel]

paleo is not low fat, nor unbalanced.

I didn't say the Paleo Diet was low fat, you are assuming things again. It is, according to many dieticians, unbalanced however as it eliminates several food groups that supply essential minerals and vitamins.

 

[Freefaller]

Paleo is pretty good actually - it keeps you away from refined grains and processed foods. However, unfortunately, in this modern society where processed and refined foods are omnipresent it's hard to follow. However, one can make the best effort to minimise poor food intake and opt for healthier options. However, I've always been a proponent of a balanced varied - which is why I'm a beast, and indestructible.

 

[Mr-White]

Only those that want to be healthy will eat properly and exercise, most are either too busy or too lazy and thats not much can be done about it.

MW

 

[Castiel]

Paleo is pretty good actually - it keeps you away from refined grains and processed foods. However, unfortunately, in this modern society where processed and refined foods are omnipresent it's hard to follow. However, one can make the best effort to minimise poor food intake and opt for healthier options. However, I've always been a proponent of a balanced varied - which is why I'm a beast, and indestructible.

It is not a long term solution however, and dieticians claim it has significant issues with eliminating dairy and grains entirely. Not to mention the ever increasing variations of the diet itself, or the fact that a true palaeolithic diet is impossible to recreate in modern society and that modern humans have adapted to eat wholefoods such as grains in their diet anyway, and no one actually knows what a palaeolithic diet was, and as it would almost certainly have been based on regional availability of foods it would depend on the region in which you lived, and not to mention the biggest flaw, that Palaeolithic man commonly consumed grains in regions where wild grains were available, there is also evidence that Palaeolithic man processed cereal grains for consumption as much as 200,000 years ago, it also ignores the low life expectation of palaeolithic man, or the totally different lifestyle and relative harshness of their environment. It's controversial in the least, with experts arguing incessantly over the pros and cons....far better to follow a sensible, varied and balanced diet with portion control....portion control being the number one factor in weight management.

Essentially it is just another fad diet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/paleo-diet-healthy_n_1898529.html

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-review-the-caveman-paleo-diet