Anyone ever become an atheist after believing?

Kamwah · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:20

JoeF1 said:
Mentally ill isnt the right word.

If you was to say people who believe in God are naive, then yes.

Nice edit XD

Naive to believe there's something more than just what we see and our existence is a total luck of the draw? There's nothing naive in believing there's a higher power.

Now it's naive if you're indoctrinated (the actual definition) at any age into any religion and just accepting it.

It's sad that those who don't get it have to attack it when they believe it's nothing.

Jason2 · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:21

I would say it's naive to believe the world created itself and we just got amazingly luckily by landing on all the right parameters. Perspective is key.

Jason2 · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:23

Kamwah said:
Nice edit XD

Naive to believe there's something more than just what we see and our existence is a total luck of the draw? There's nothing naive in believing there's a higher power.

Now it's naive if you're indoctrinated (the actual definition) at any age into any religion and just accepting it.

It's sad that those who don't get it have to attack it when they believe it's nothing.

Isn't that what happens with evolution though? It's taught to kids in school as if it is fact, just because the scientific community says it is.

Jono · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:24

I think I've gone from (encouraged to be a) believer as a child > Agnostic > Agnostic Atheist, leaning towards atheist.

If there is a god, then he's a dick.

JoeF1 · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:24

Kamwah said:
Nice edit XD

Naive to believe there's something more than just what we see and our existence is a total luck of the draw? There's nothing naive in believing there's a higher power.

Now it's naive if you're indoctrinated (the actual definition) at any age into any religion and just accepting it.

It's sad that those who don't get it have to attack it when they believe it's nothing.

Was a quick edit. I didnt want to sound disrespectful. But in the context it was in it fitted.

If it makes people feel better thinking their is an higher power as such then better for them. Although each to their own.

Jason2 said:
I would say it's naive to believe the world created itself and we just got amazingly luckily by landing on all the right parameters. Perspective is key.

But you would believe GOD created this? - Mind Blown.

Jason2 said:
Isn't that what happens with evolution though? It's taught to kids in school as if it is fact, just because the scientific community says it is.

I blooming hope your Trolling...

grimm · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:24

If people really think about it properly then there is no possible way that any "god" can exist. There is no logical reason for one to exist, and no evidence to support any "god" theory at all.

The more we learn about the way our world and universe works, the more out of date religion becomes.

Any time wasted practicing religion and putting faith in false gods would be much better spent with family and people who are real and important and who will actually help you in your times of need.

Praying to a god who will never answer and never help is totally futile because god doesn't exist, and I think it's pretty immoral for anyone to encourage someone to waste their time on that, especially when they are in desperate situations and actually need help.

Spektor · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:25

Jason2 said:
I would say it's naive to believe the world created itself and we just got amazingly luckily by landing on all the right parameters. Perspective is key.

The world doesn't have a will, it didn't do anything. Plus we wouldn't be here discussing this if the Earth didn't have the right parameters.

fluffmct · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:26

Jason2 said:
Isn't that what happens with evolution though? It's taught to kids in school as if it is fact, just because the scientific community says it is.

No, I'm not surprised you hate the scientific method if that's what you came away with from school.

It's an inference to the best explanation based on the knowledge and evidence we have available

Kamwah · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:27

Jason2 said:
Isn't that what happens with evolution though? It's taught to kids in school as if it is fact, just because the scientific community says it is.

Whom are you to question God's ways?

Ok I'm out, if anyone wants any actual questions answered then I'll pop back in but I don't need a poop slinging fest =/

You lot enjoy Jason2.

aln · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:27

Jason2 said:
Isn't that what happens with evolution though? It's taught to kids in school as if it is fact, just because the scientific community says it is.

Please, feel free to disprove the scientific theory of mavity by jumping off your nearest sky scraper. Don't worry, if you believe in the right god I'm sure you'll be fine.

doofer · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:28

Jason2 said:
Isn't that what happens with evolution though? It's taught to kids in school as if it is fact, just because the scientific community says it is.

Isn't that what happens with Religion though? It's taught to kids in Churches as if it is fact, just because the Religious community says it is.

Rexton · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:29

Kamwah said:
It's sad that those who don't get it have to attack it when they believe it's nothing.

People reserve the right to have an intense dislike of religion if they see it as something that is infringing of basic human rights.

Jason2 said:
Isn't that what happens with evolution though? It's taught to kids in school as if it is fact, just because the scientific community says it is.

0/10, troll harder.

Jason2 · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:29

I've said before, sciences serves only to observe the laws that God has set. How does that in any shape or form disprove God? I suggest reading 'Miracles' by C.S Lewis. He explains how it is possible for the universe to be self-sustaining due to the laws that God has set, yet at the same time God can intervene and work a miracle.

Spektor · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:31

Jason2 said:
I've said before, sciences serves only to observe the laws that God has set. How does that in any shape or form disprove God? I suggest reading 'Miracles' by C.S Lewis. He explains how it is possible for the universe to be self-sustaining due to the laws that God has set, yet at the same time God can intervene and work a miracle.

There is zero evidence for a god, only a vast collection of ever evolving fairy tales passed down through the generations via various mediums.

There is nothing for science to disprove.

Spektor · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:32

-- dp :/

JoeF1 · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:32

Jason2 said:
I've said before, sciences serves only to observe the laws that God has set. How does that in any shape or form disprove God?

peter_hutson · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:33

Jason2 said:
I would say it's naive to believe the world created itself and we just got amazingly luckily by landing on all the right parameters. Perspective is key.

I agree, perspecive is key. We live in an environment that contains millions of stars and countless planets. Therefore the probability that sentient life would come into existance is not zero. Is that the way it happened, or did a supreme being guide the way? I have absolutely no idea. But I see no reason why we should blindly worship our "maker" if he did indeed exist. The only justification that orgainsed relgion ever seems to give is the threat of punishment (hell) or eternal happyness (heaven). Sounds all a bit like "carrot and stick" to me. Do what I say or be punished , or and you might get some jam tomorrow.

My take is much simpler. Live your life how you would like to be treated. Be respectful of others and try to see the good in people. If God wants to continue to punish me because I failed to go to church or blindly worship him (I say blindly, as his guidance is a bit vague and open to abuse), then he is not worth worshiping. I judge people for who they are and how they behave, I don't care about their religion, I'd hope God is the same. Assuming he really is that much of a higher being?

mattyg · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:33

Jason2 said:
I've said before, sciences serves only to observe the laws that God has set. How does that in any shape or form disprove God? I suggest reading 'Miracles' by C.S Lewis. He explains how it is possible for the universe to be self-sustaining due to the laws that God has set, yet at the same time God can intervene and work a miracle.

Miracles like saving a baby from a collapsed building.

yay for miracles

I'm amazed he has the time with him being so busy systematically murdering millions of african babies

Jason2 · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:35

So you believe God should intervene and take away someone's free will when they're about commit an evil act? That's not free will.

Spektor · 4 Mar 2013 at 13:37

Jason2 said:
So you believe God should intervene and take away someone's free will when they're about commit an evil act? That's not free will.

Why did he give us free will if he then gave us commandments to live by? not exactly free will either is it?

It's almost like hes a bit of a pratt.