Anyone ever become an atheist after believing?

ringo747 said:
The same. I've talked to a number of theists who claim that they have no issues between their faith and all scientific discoveries to date.
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Without presuming their religion, I think they are willfully ignoring parts of their own holy text. Why claim to be a believer when there's no real consistency in what believing in that thing is or does?
 
Correct, I'd agree that science is at odds with certain interpretations of biblical creation, but it doesn't follow that theism in general is at odds with science.
 
Jason2 said:
It's not the theists who reject the big bang, but rather the atheists. They wish to maintain the universe is eternal so there's no possibility of a creator. However, with strong evidence of the universe coming into existence, that argument is slowly fading.
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The Big Bang theory is not necessarily the explanation for the universe coming into existence; merely coming into existence in it's current state.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
I was raised a Roman Catholic son, I know my Christianity. It's a nice story book, like Lord Of The Rings, but with more fantasy.
I know what the Bible says he did, and the reasons the Bible gives for him doing it. Reality: He didn't die for 3 days and come back to life. He didn't ascend to heaven. There is no empirical evidence of pre and post sacrifice levels of sin across the universe. Even if it had fallen, correlation is not causation.
You call me ignorant then willfully ignore the desire to explain something fantastical? You do me a disservice good sir!
Sure, if you want to completely ignore all the really unhealthy things people did, like wearing lead-based makeup. Hell, they couldn't even reliably cure leprosy back in Jesus' time! Modern medicine can, 15 million people cured (and counting).
Jesus didn't stay dead. Why not? Surely that would have been a greater sacrifice? Or is 3 days 'enough' of a sacrifice? Why 3 days? Loads of people have been dead much longer than 3 days! Can you point to any scientific studies outlining the precise effects of Jesus' sacrifice so we can test it please?

Why not operate an open door policy? Surely he can see people are doing good on Earth right now? Why doesn't he lend them a hand? It's not like Heaven can get full is it? Everyone nice should be up there! Why are we even down here when God already knows who is good and who is evil?

I'll put the kettle on. What's building by the way? He's a carpenter so I'm gonna guess it's a REALLY big staircase.
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He rose again to show his divinity, and that he alone holds the keys to death.

Jesus cannot return until the third temple is rebuilt. If you read the prophecies, you would know this.
 
JoeF1 said:
Didn't god create satan as well though? Being the creator of everything. Why would he do that? So god offering his way back is you saying its that years of research by scientists is all down to god showing them the way? Not trollin legitimate question.

On a side note I have to commend you on the arguments. You've had a lot against you.
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Yes, he created Satan, but he did not create evil. Satan, using his free will, rebelled. Evil is not some individual thing. It is the absence of the good power.
 
Jason2 said:
He rose again to show his divinity, and that he alone holds the keys to death.
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He also gets angry at fig trees, I'm not sure I'd trust him. Are you sure he didn't just hide in a cave for 3 days? I don't disagree he existed, but I find it awfully suspicious that literally the only person who has ever claimed to have died and come back to life, was also 'sealed' in a cave for 3 days so nobody could check on him.
In terms of statistics, Jesus is the single outlier ever to have existed of all living things in that he died and then came back. Even with an extremely broad confidence interval, that is literally so far away from the realms of possibility that the only logical conclusion is that it is an error.

Jason2 said:
Jesus cannot return until the third temple is rebuilt. If you read the prophecies, you would know this.
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There are lots of interpretations of that, depending on which Christian sect you belong to. The best part is, Muslims find that part of the Bible offensive, even though they readily acknowledge that Jesus was a prophet.

Also if you could answer any of my questions that would be much appreciated. How much is that staircase going to cost? What kind of wood has sufficient tensile strength? Is it from renewable forests?
 
ringo747 said:
Correct, I'd agree that science is at odds with certain interpretations of biblical creation, but it doesn't follow that theism in general is at odds with science.
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Only because the powers of those God(s) are often ill defined at best. Not to mention the lack of evidence for their existence and in turn, lack of objective measurement of their supposed powers.
 
I went from Atheist > believer > Atheist

Was a non believer until 10 then found Christianity (for a few months) than back to Atheist
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
Only because the powers of those God(s) are often ill defined at best. Not to mention the lack of evidence for their existence and in turn, lack of objective measurement of their supposed powers.
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A definition of the powers of God does not affect whether he can theoretically exist or not.

Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence as the saying goes.

My point still stands that science and theism need not be at odds.
 
ringo747 said:
A definition of the powers of God does not affect whether he can theoretically exist or not.
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Sure. That's the agnostic position, and probably the one I'd subscribe to simply because we don't really know if God does exist or not.
ringo747 said:
Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence as the saying goes.
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And that's why I pretty much think the Flying Spaghetti Monster makes a lot more sense than any Abrahamic religion.
ringo747 said:
My point still stands that science and theism need not be at odds.
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Entirely subjective, but sure, why not.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
Sure. That's the agnostic position, and probably the one I'd subscribe to simply because we don't really know if God does exist or not.
And that's why I pretty much think the Flying Spaghetti Monster makes a lot more sense than any Abrahamic religion.
Entirely subjective, but sure, why not.
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So are you saying you don't agree? I'm not arguing or attempting to provide arguments for either side. I am simply responding to the suggestion that science and theism are at odds.
 
ringo747 said:
Maybe I'm blind but where were these quotes from?! A different thread?
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