Supplements the debate/discussion thread

The only reason I can think of that being an issue is as has already been said caffeine is good at getting rid of water while one of creatines MOA is to keep water within the muscle cells so they'd be working against each other, but keep well hydrated and that won't be a problem.
 
There seem to be conflicting opinions around the net. Very difficult to believe what is the truth despite the research.

Bottom line, does anyone here take creatine + caffeine and have positive training from it?
 
Admiral Huddy said:
Apparently, caffeine and creatine inhibit each other so have a negative effect. I do remember reading this on the packaging I bought.



source : http://www.ergo-log.com/creatinecaffeine.html
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that study said:
"Of course, the concentrations the Japanese used are much higher than the concentrations found in the human body, but the message is clear. Caffeine messes up the muscle cell’s creatine metabolism.
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hat's the issue. As the concentrations checked were not really equivocal to conditions in the human body, it's theoretical for most people. If you dose at 450mg+ of caffeine on a regular basis, you have a slightly more fundamental and serious problem. :)

Massive amounts (truly enormous) of caffeine essentially trick the body into oxidising its phosphate stores, i.e. using up creatine if this is in ready supply. The issue with creatine, regardlyess, is that the effect on power output requires combining with carbohydrate to be effective, as otherwise the athlete/bodybuilder just holds water.

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Practically speaking - looking at those and other studies - if you have a cup of coffee in the morning or even take 300mg of caffeine pre-workout, you probably won't realise the effects outlined in that linked study.
 
I'm taking 5g creatine and 250mg caffeine pre-workout. Can't say I noticed any drop in performance.
 
They work in different ways. Creatine is just a fuel source that has.been linked to some iteresting effects. Caffeine is a stimulant that also inhibits prolactin, delaying the perceived onset of fatigue...
 
Has anyone tried the limited edition Jaffa Cake flavour Whey from TPW? If so, how does it taste?

I can't stomach any more MyProtein Cookies and Cream whey. I dread drinking it.
 
Admiral Huddy said:
But do you get double the perfomance? i.e. would you notice any difference from sticking to one or the other?
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The thing is, a lot of BB (and i mean a lot) use caffeine and creatine together, so it's obviously not a problem, even pre-workout and post-workout supplements contain the two.
 
'Wes said:
The thing is, a lot of BB (and i mean a lot) use caffeine and creatine together, so it's obviously not a problem, even pre-workout and post-workout supplements contain the two.
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I suspect a lot of AH's query comes from acost perspective: why pay for creatine if invalidating its effects?

Fact of the matter is that dosing the two together will not impact 99.9% of people.

Now, if you go in for over 450mg of caffeine in one go, then this will start to upset the phosphate balance in your muscles, but the effect is cellular, i.e. tiny.

Just like most 'science' in the bodybuilding industry, a tiny effect is blown out of proportion and then antidotes are marketed at a dosage too low to impact/elicit that effect.
 
Received my TPW order this morning and just tried the small bag of apple cinnamon swirl I got and it's good just a nice balance of apple and cinnamon works well with the creaminess of the whey.
Looking forward to giving the cherry bakewell I go when I get home.
 
mrthingyx said:
I suspect a lot of AH's query comes from acost perspective: why pay for creatine if invalidating its effects?

Fact of the matter is that dosing the two together will not impact 99.9% of people.

Now, if you go in for over 450mg of caffeine in one go, then this will start to upset the phosphate balance in your muscles, but the effect is cellular, i.e. tiny.

Just like most 'science' in the bodybuilding industry, a tiny effect is blown out of proportion and then antidotes are marketed at a dosage too low to impact/elicit that effect.
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Yes precisely what I'm saying. Thanks for the information you've provided. it's been very helpful. As I said before, I'm a bit old school. I remember taking the stuff years ago and caffeine then was a definitely a no - no. Things have moved on I guess. I was asking because i was thinking of paying a revisit. Although I don't have too much problem with the weights, I've noticed my recovery period is longer as I've got older. Wednesday no-training is a must and a relief :)
 
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