UEFA Champions League/Europa League 5/6/7 March *** Spoilers ***

drunkenmaster said:
I have no idea why anyone could think its not a red card, the intent is completely and utterly irrelevant, dangerous play is, it was a flying kick, what if Arbeloa stoops only a bit to head the ball and Nani studs him in the face. Its insanely dangerous, he made full contact with his entire body weight behind the ball.
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Oh noes. What if Arbeloa stoops all the way onto the ground and somebody kicks him while going for a ball on the ground?

Intent does matter. If you play in the "spirit" of the game - ie not intending to foul or injure people - you should only be sent off in exceptional circumstances.
 
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Azza said:
Yep, him and Gibbo.

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Neither of these were a player running with a lot of pace nor jumped in completely recklessly, those were just high boots, and got a red but realistically neither of those did.

People who want to, focus on one thing because they want to. The tackle there was the studs to the ribs, the fact that contact was made, the fact that he was moving fast so the contact had a lot of momentum in it, the fact that he'd jumped of the ground and wasn't in control any more, the fact that he raise his foot ludicrously high and the fact that he didn't know who was there.

If you KNOW there isn't a player there, there can't be any other danger to other players, if you don't know, then you can't do anything reckless, simple as that. THere is every expectation that a opposition player would be challenging for that ball.
 
Feel almost sorry for refs that get matches they simply aren't good enough to keep up with; you're refereering a certain (relatively low) level every week then boom the biggest game of the year, in a huge atmosphere, comes along. Similar happened with Chelsea v Barca a few years ago when Pique was playing basketball in his box? Meh.
 
Lol at the people saying it's a red, it's a yellow any day of week. The ref completely zapped the game with that decision.
 
A genuine attempt to play the ball like that should not result in a red card. I guess we can just forget about overhead kick then, too dangerous......
 
maun said:
I doubt mourinho would risk his reputation by being in and/or knowing the match was fixed.
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I mean, if he really wanted that win to be on the path for Uefa cup glory, could he have been desperate enough to do it?

It's 3 possibilities in my opinion:

1. He feels genuinely bad because it was an unfair decision

2. He feels guilty because he was involved/knew about the ref being paid to give a red card to Utd at any given opportunity.

3. He does not feel guilty but is pretending to be in order to cover up how he really feels about the win/ref being bought.

In football, who knows?
 
anticonscience said:
Nani put the ref in that position.
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Then why wasn't Van Persie shown a red for attempting an overhead kick and doing something equally as dangerous with the same lack of awareness of where everyone else was on the pitch.

Same height - same raised foot - except one ended in a red card the other merely a red face.

I am far from a Man Utd fan but whilst Nani should be shown red for histrionics and simulation violent conduct is not in his game.
 
It wasn't a red card, but regardless of that, Fergie not reacting for a good 10 to 15 after that with his subs didn't do us any favors.

Wayne should have been brought on and stuffed on the left, Welbeck or Giggs brought off.

As it stands the ball wasn't sticking when we tried to play out, we had no guile or craft going forward and lacked any composure in midfield.
 
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