UEFA Champions League/Europa League 5/6/7 March *** Spoilers ***

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/e...uson-fined-by-fa-for-comments-after-tottenham

What constitutes implying that the official is "bent"? Here, for instance, Ferguson has simply said that the same linesman also had a poor game when they played Chelsea previously. Is that sufficient?

The thing is, this would barely be an issue if refs were able to come out and explain their decisions. If Fergie had come out and called him bent, and the ref was able to outline why he made the decision, I'd imagine that it would be fine. We'd have both sides of the story, and that would be that.

Also, this is brilliant: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-21687292
 
BaZ87 said:
Who's stopping Fergie or any manager from saying what he likes? There's no rule that says you can't criticise officials. Plenty of times a manager has come out and criticised the officials performance without finding themself in trouble. If you come out and say or imply the ref was bent (and you can't prove it) for example, you could find yourself in trouble, which is entirely understandable.

Fergie wasn't charged for going nuts post-Bayern a couple of years back.

edit: Fergie could have easily come out yesterday and said the ref's made a terrible mistake in sending Nani off and it's cost us the game. He wouldn't have been fined.
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Its not quite so simple. I have never heard Phelan come out and say that Fergie won't be doing an interview because he is not in a fit state before last night. It sounds like he would have gone nuts.

I don't really care about a fine to be honest, rules are rules and if you miss your obligations you pay the cost.

What I am more concerned about is how poor the referees in europe have been lately. The Celtic game was a complete farce and they always seem to side with the pathetic diving and disruption that certain teams love to do.
 
manic111 said:
The thing is, this would barely be an issue if refs were able to come out and explain their decisions. If Fergie had come out and called him bent, and the ref was able to outline why he made the decision, I'd imagine that it would be fine. We'd have both sides of the story, and that would be that.
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That will never happen. There is a reason they don't do it. Referees seem to have to be some sort of unassailable figure that doesn't get emotionally involved when I am almost certain a lot of them do.

I would genuinely pay good money to be able to run over the Celtic vs Juventus game from a few weeks back. The referee cheated. Plain and simple. Pretty much any other ref would have sent 90% of the Juventus team off over the course of the game (they probably would have stopped earlier I admit).

Referees are completely unaccountable to anyone but the people who give them matches.
 
manic111 said:
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/e...uson-fined-by-fa-for-comments-after-tottenham

What constitutes implying that the official is "bent"? Here, for instance, Ferguson has simply said that the same linesman also had a poor game when they played Chelsea previously. Is that sufficient?

The thing is, this would barely be an issue if refs were able to come out and explain their decisions. If Fergie had come out and called him bent, and the ref was able to outline why he made the decision, I'd imagine that it would be fine. We'd have both sides of the story, and that would be that.

Also, this is brilliant: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-21687292
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The implication is that lino has an agenda against Utd, hence he didn't give them a decision all game and he done them over in the past too (according to Fergie). Had he simply said he had a bad game, nothing would have happened just like we see in many cases most weekends.

And no, no manager can call the ref bent and it would be ok if the ref explained his decision. Not only is calling the ref bent moronic considering that he could have given 2 more major decisions Reals way (the disallowed goal in the first half and the handball/red card in the 2nd) had he had an agenda but it's a very serious allegation with lots of legal implications.

Very simply, you can criticise officials without getting in trouble. If you are abusive and/or question their integrity (without reason to do so and proof to back it up), you'll be in trouble.

fez said:
Its not quite so simple. I have never heard Phelan come out and say that Fergie won't be doing an interview because he is not in a fit state before last night. It sounds like he would have gone nuts.
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Fergie's refused to talk to the press more times than I can remember in the past. The only reason Phelan came out in his place yesterday was because Utd would have found themselves in even more trouble had nobody at all showed up. And it's not like he's hasn't gone nuts in the past either.
 
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Sometimes you just have to be a pro and man up and face the cameras in victory or defeat regardless of the outcome.

He doesn't want to come across as a sore loser so should have done the press, stonewalled them a bit if necessary but at least had something to say.
 
To be fair to Nani it looked like he was trying to pull out at the last second when he spotted Arbeloa but couldn't in time. Yellow would have been sufficent in my opinion. The rules have no consistency. A player trying to control a ball, not seeing a player and unintentionally colliding gets a red, yet Lopez coming flying out and double fisting Vidic in the head is not dangerous? At this level is it time to go down the rugby/tennis route and having a video ref?
 
RobTheMonk said:
TAt this level is it time to go down the rugby/tennis route and having a video ref?
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How would that help? Everyone here has seen it countless times and we're still in disagreement.

Rules in football are much more open to interpretation than in the vast majority of other sports, which leads to these debates. Seeing incidents again doesn't often help.
 
fez said:
What I am more concerned about is how poor the referees in europe have been lately. The Celtic game was a complete farce and they always seem to side with the pathetic diving and disruption that certain teams love to do.
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That's one thing I love about the Premiership, we give our officials a lot of **** but it's fair to say they are far superior to most foreign referees.

This season EPL referees have been playing the advantage at nearly every opportunity to allow the games to flow, then you watch a European game or something like an El Classico and everytime a player is tackled they go down like a sack of spuds often being awarded a freekick, the games are so stop/start.

We will just have to accept that European football is pretty much non contact and that our teams will be at a disadvantage, I'd rather we struggle in Europe than turn the Premier League into the same fairy football played on the continent.
 
mmj_uk said:
We will just have to accept that European football is pretty much non contact and that our teams will be at a disadvantage, I'd rather we struggle in Europe than turn the Premier League into the same fairy football played on the continent.
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That's a fair point actually.

Football here is still played properly in the main. On the continent diving is much more the norm.

Obviously there are individuals here that make a habit of it but it isn't indelibly linked to the game.
 
I look forward to seeing PSG play some one decent. They're like a French flavour of QPR that just happen to win a lot.
 
mmj_uk said:
We will just have to accept that European football is pretty much non contact and that our teams will be at a disadvantage, I'd rather we struggle in Europe than turn the Premier League into the same fairy football played on the continent.
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its too late for that already. :p

This morning I was watching ITV4 The Big Match Revisited with a cup tie between spurs and man u from 1979 some proper challenges going in there which you'd see a string of yellow cards these days even red in some cases.
 
Azza said:
Oh well. Matri scores for Juve. The dream is officially over.
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To be fair, juve where excellent this evening, I think many celtic fans (myself included) felt hard done by the ref descisions in glasgow, but tonight juve where just a class act to watch.

Apparantly celtic have to play three qualifiers next year for champions league :(
 
Azza said:
Oh well. Matri scores for Juve. The dream is officially over.
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The dream was officially over in the first leg:p. Juve were just too good for Celtic tonight, had the ref not been a turd in the first leg then it could have been a bit more interesting tonights game.
 
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