Female Students Facing Sexual Harassment And Groping In University Lad Culture, Says NUS

Burnsy2023 · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:42

Skillmister said:
Getting all upset about the use of a word, oh dear. Do you also go mental when people use 'gay' in a totally non derogatory sense?

Both of those words can and do have real word impacts on wider society. How is trivialising the word rape or using gay in a derogatory context a good thing? Both sexism and homophobia are still very much profound issues in the world today.

aln · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:42

dowie said:
I don't quite see the logic...

'Murdering' the opposing team is OK? but 'Raping' them is not OK... because

Gamers aren't really logical. Even back in like 1999 I remember people complaining about spawn raping them. Yeah you keep typing, thats going to make me stop killing you while my mate takes your flag.

Burnsy2023 said:
Both of those words can and do have real word impacts on wider society. How is trivialising the word rape or using gay in a derogatory context a good thing? Both sexism and homophobia are still very much profound issues in the world today.

Naw mate, it's alright. We're taking the words back.

Robosapien · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:43

Moses said:
Owned? Owned? OWNED?! WOT ABOUT TEH SLAVES?

BDSM is awesome.

Efour · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:43

dowie said:
I don't quite see the logic...

'Murdering' the opposing team is OK? but 'Raping' them is not OK... because

i dunno lets have a poll and see which is more acceptable to the majority of people.

i suspect this is just an evolution of words thing and in 20 years kids will be raping each other at tiddlywinks and hopscotch in the playground.

Burnsy2023 · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:45

dowie said:
Why is it abhorrent in that context?

Would you find the following phrases abhorrent too:

'I could murder a curry'

'I could kill my Boss right now'

'We destroyed you on Saturday' (referring to some football match)

I mean are murder, killing, destruction OK to be used in a different context but 'rape' somehow a sacred word that can never be used other than in a literal sense?

Those words are very different because murder is not acceptable to society. To some people, sexism and homophobia are entirely legitimate opinions.

Robosapien · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:47

This thread is a sausage fest. It's already gay laddism in all it's glory.

*****.

Efour · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:47

Do you guys Rape your Mum at Scrabble after Christmas dinner?

l;ol im cracking myself up here

Burnsy2023 · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:47

Strife212 said:
We do though, everyone knows it's abhorrent, just like burglary and murder but people do it anyway.

No, no we don't. The fact that many people think it's perfectly acceptable to sexually assault someone in a nightclub or that it's a problem if a girl isn't "up for it" demonstrates that perceptions are still often very discriminatory.

aln · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:50

Burnsy2023 said:
Those words are very different because murder is not acceptable to society. To some people, sexism and homophobia are entirely legitimate opinions.

To some people murder is legitimate to, otherwise we wouldn't have murders.

In reality it's the context that matters. I wouldn't say lol to someone while afk without expecting a slap. I wouldn't use the word gay in a derogatory way to actually attempt to seriously call someone homosexual.

In on-line gaming all of that stuff is perfectly acceptable because it doesn't have the context which you are talking about, which is the same reason kill and murder is acceptable.

This is the exact same reasoning why banter is OK with your mates and people who know you, whilst it's not OK with random strangers or people who don't really know you're joking. It's all about the context and how the words perceived and you taking personal issue with a word being used (when it's not used in that context) is largely your own personal issue.

On a side note, I actually think trash talking is fairly poor sportsmanship and I'll just type kill you in reality.

Castiel · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:51

Burnsy2023 said:
Both of those words can and do have real word impacts on wider society. How is trivialising the word rape or using gay in a derogatory context a good thing? Both sexism and homophobia are still very much profound issues in the world today.

I was going to mention this. However, I think it is also important to there is a preconception in society that Rape is somehow a worse crime than Murder, perhaps because it is seen as an attack on a woman personally and it, like paedophilia, goes against our baser instincts of protecting our species (and families) by protecting our young and their mothers.

Strife212 · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:51

Moses said:
As is murder, to some. Just look at the lynch mob type people who bay for the blood of murderers and rapists in high profile cases.

:/

dowie · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:52

Burnsy2023 said:
Both of those words can and do have real word impacts on wider society. How is trivialising the word rape or using gay in a derogatory context a good thing? Both sexism and homophobia are still very much profound issues in the world today.

The use of gay as an insult is a slightly different issue.

I'd say that the use of rape as a metaphor isn't trivialising rape itself anymore than using murder as a metaphor...

I'd also argue that its got naff all to do with sexism... the term 'butt raped' gets used as a metaphor for example... and the use of the term in general, as a metaphor, isn't gender specific.

Castiel · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:52

Moses said:
It's not strange for someone to know there's more than one meaning behind a word, then to use it appropriately in verse :\.

It is strange to see it used in modern verse in that context however...which is what I meant. The use of the word Gay in that context is quickly becoming archaic in modern English. In much the same way as using Rape to mean stealing by force. It is strange to hear it used in such a way today.

Skillmister · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:53

Burnsy2023 said:
Both of those words can and do have real word impacts on wider society. How is trivialising the word rape or using gay in a derogatory context a good thing? Both sexism and homophobia are still very much profound issues in the world today.

If people want to get butthurt about me calling my latest software error message "gay" i couldn't care less. There is no impact on wider society for that, i just replaced x other cuss word with it out of habit. I'm not being sexist or homophobic in the slightest, and i am neither.

"I could murder some ice cream" Is that trivialising the act of murder? I certainly dont think so.

Efour · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:53

Why we hating on the gays and gamers ?

I thought this was about hating women.

I call stuff gay all the time... My sister is gay.. it gets a bit embarrassing. I do it cos im a ****less moron, i can only assume people are inarticulate enough to not use a real word are morons too, no disrespect.

Burnsy2023 · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:53

aln said:
In on-line gaming all of that stuff is perfectly acceptable because it doesn't have the context which you are talking about, which is the same reason kill and murder is acceptable

The problem is that rape is a serious thing and by using it in a gaming context you are trivialising the word. That is simply inappropriate.

aln · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:56

Burnsy2023 said:
No, no we don't. The fact that many people think it's perfectly acceptable to sexually assault someone in a nightclub or that it's a problem if a girl isn't "up for it" demonstrates that perceptions are still often very discriminatory.

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of men believe that doing this isn't OK. It's just a shame that when their parents raised them with morals, they've forgot to raise them to stand up for them. People are too afraid of being singled out to ever say anything about it. It's a sad thing really.

aln · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:57

Burnsy2023 said:
The problem is that rape is a serious thing and by using it in a gaming context you are trivialising the word. That is simply inappropriate.

Again, you need to apply that same logic to words like murder. You've giving special attention to words that rub you the wrong way personally and totally failing to get my point.

dowie · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:57

Burnsy2023 said:
The problem is that rape is a serious thing and by using it in a gaming context you are trivialising the word. That is simply inappropriate.

But murder isn't a serious thing?

Burnsy2023 · 9 Mar 2013 at 01:58

Skillmister said:
There is no impact on wider society for that, i just replace it with x other cuss word out of habit. I'm not being sexist or homophobic in the slightest, and i am neither.

To think that there is no impact on wider society is simply naive.

Skillmister said:
"I could murder some ice cream" Is that trivialising the act of murder? I certainly dont think so.

Murders, certainly in this country, isn't on anywhere the same scale of an issue as sexism and the crimes that go with it. It doesn't have the same level of acceptance either.