Female Students Facing Sexual Harassment And Groping In University Lad Culture, Says NUS

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Lol these girls should spend a night in a club full if italians, i suspect they will feel better about the british blokes then
 
robj20 said:
Nothing wrong whatsoever using the word rape.

"the wanton destruction or spoiling of a place:"

Too many people with hurt feelings if you ask me. If someone says something you dont like, ignore them, don't get all upset about it.
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I'm far from upset by it because, ironically, i use it in the game context too.
I just find it comical that some people don't get the real association and your justification blows my mind if im honest... not hurt feelings just deeply sorry for you.
 
grimm said:
Even if the initial intentions behind using the word "rape" within the gaming community were terrible crimes against humanity (which I very much doubt they were), there is no real malice behind it anymore, so I don't see why that question is relevant in all honesty.
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Again, I think this is half the problem, people being ignorant of the mavity of the word and what it actually means. I know that some words get additional means through use in different contexts, but is that really appropriate for this particular word?

I'd also like to make the point that it is a very limited culture that finds this acceptable. Like has been mentioned, you won't rape your granny at trivial pursuit or similar. If you use the word outside a very insular culture you'd get some very strong opposition and perhaps gaming subculture should be less ignorant to wider societal views?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Again, I think this is half the problem, people being ignorant of the mavity of the word and what it actually means. I know that some words get additional means through use in different contexts, but is that really appropriate for this particular word?

I'd also like to make the point that it is a very limited culture that finds this acceptable. Like has been mentioned, you won't rape your granny at trivial pursuit or similar. If you use the word outside a very insular culture you'd get some very strong opposition and perhaps gaming subculture should be less ignorant to wider societal views?
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A word can only have mavity if people consider it to have mavity. If nobody considers it that way anymore then your point is totally moot.

As long as nobody uses that word around your granny then who cares? I use different phrases around different social groups all the time, this is normal. It's like trying not to swear too much in front of your parents for example. Everyone does it, and it is entirely harmless.

It's not about being ignorant, it's about being aware of what you are saying when around different social groups. I won't go cracking jokes about catholic priests in a catholic church at someone's wedding for example, that doesn't make those jokes any less funny in a different social setting though.
 
[TW]Fox;23903719 said:
Quite. I've never quite understood why many think murder is LESS serious than rape. It's very bizarre - murder is perhaps one of the worst possible crimes. Once you murder somebody, thats it. They are gone. They will never, ever come back from it.
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True and you might spend your entire life living in fear with horrific mental issues after being raped. Whats worse then? Hope i never find out.

As men though i guess its statistically unlikely we will have to go through rape hence how we joke so much about it.
 
It is just the rape culture we live in, men need to check their privilege, until then, nothing will change, I believe I have mentioned this before?
 
Efour said:
Dont be silly now. No one really goes "mental" its the internet its all just one upmanship play the game nicely please.

Its not just a word if used with intent, whole 'nother argument/discussion.

I don't think the word gay has been used in the "happy" sense since the 1920's and rape, i pitty anyone that uses that freely in conversation cos it is soley used to cause maximum offence in a "polite" way so it seems?
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Have we entirely lost our capability to not be completely stupid when it comes to this sort of thing. Words are re-appropriated all the time and unless you are intentionally making a fuss or you can't understand english, its pretty apparent.

Using the word rape out of the context of actual rape is not an issue in my view. Be careful but when you are with mates, I cannot fathom what the issue is.

As Castiel says, both men and women are pretty bad at times. You can't generalise these things. A lot of my friends who are teachers say that the girls are much worse, more spiteful and plain nasty whereas the boys a just being idiots and its mostly forgotten about hours later.

When girls go out dressed in barely more than a bra and knickers then complain about the attention they get I don't have any sympathy. There is no excuse for rape or sexual harassment but people need to get over themselves.

I played a few sports and uni and we sung "U-G-L-Y, you're ugly, you're ugly" at socials. We sang it to the guys, the girls, anyone. People need to get over themselves and actually think "wait a second, I don't know these guys, they are ****ed, rowdy and being gimps, perhaps this is not a deeply personal and accurate appraisal of my looks and personality".
 
Voltar said:
The Lad culture as described still baffles me. I mean WHO are these so called "lads"?
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From what I've seen a bunch of unwashed toffs with huge noses, unattractive faces and ridiculous oily bouffants making them look like transvestites, getting hammered every weekend and posting their exploits on Facebook ever 10min. They'll also quite often 'talk' to each other on Facebook whilst out even if they're stood right next to each other in the dive, just because they think it's interesting to others.

Just from what I've seen. Might be wrong.
 
And rape, it's a bad word which I never use myself as I can't bring myself to direct that word at a male or female, regardless how close a friend they are. But I do think murder might be a tad worse.
 
At uni we obviously had "banter" between us guys, but we would never inflict it on somebody not in the group.

As for the sexual harassment side of things whenever I've gone to a club with a girlfriend whilst we're in a big group, if I've not been by her side the whole night then it was almost a dead cert that at some point during the course of the evening somebody would grab her bum. And as with the few girlfriends I've had they would never tell me who it was though in case I flew of the rails and sometimes they just never knew who it was.

Likewise, I've got a couple of mates who say they do it all the time. I've given them a piece of my mind on more than one occasion though, stressing how much it makes me angry because I know how it feels to be completely helpless when somebody sexually assaults somebody you care about.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It's amazing what people will try and justify saying that it was a "joke" or "banter". Neither of them are codewords for acceptable sexism.

Also, someone (I can't remember who) made the very valid point, that we should not be teaching girls not to dress like "*****" to avoid being raped, we should be teaching boys that rape is inherently abhorrent. I think cultures like this just perpetuate potentially quite dangerous stereotypes that do actually hurt people, regardless if they're justified as "jokes".
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+1
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It's amazing what people will try and justify saying that it was a "joke" or "banter". Neither of them are codewords for acceptable sexism.

Also, someone (I can't remember who) made the very valid point, that we should not be teaching girls not to dress like "*****" to avoid being raped, we should be teaching boys that rape is inherently abhorrent. I think cultures like this just perpetuate potentially quite dangerous stereotypes that do actually hurt people, regardless if they're justified as "jokes".
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Fantastic post
A++ would read again.

I am quoting it because more people need to stop victim blaming and start combatting rape culture, destroying the myth that rape victims are some how at fault.
 
fez said:
Have we entirely lost our capability to not be completely stupid when it comes to this sort of thing. Words are re-appropriated all the time and unless you are intentionally making a fuss or you can't understand english, its pretty apparent.

Using the word rape out of the context of actual rape is not an issue in my view. Be careful but when you are with mates, I cannot fathom what the issue is.
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As I said above, there is the question of whether this change in use is appropriate or simply offensive. Someone made the comment that perhaps this is just something that annoys me, and whilst I think I have a logical argument to why it annoys and frustrates me, they are right.

Most people are shielded from the realities of rape and sexual assault and whilst they understand that it's wrong and quite traumatic, unless you've seen the fallout, you never quite understand. Over the last few months I have seen in very graphic detail what rape is and what effect it has on people's lives first hand. When you see someone who is completely hysterical after a rape, any use of it in a casual sense does become quite offensive as any ignorance you had previously has stopped protecting you from the realities.

Most people won't see what I've seen (thank goodness) and will remain ignorant, but that doesn't mean what they are doing isn't still harmful.
 
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