Female Students Facing Sexual Harassment And Groping In University Lad Culture, Says NUS

[hurfdurf]

You are 100% correct that the victims are not at fault no matter how they dress, however I would always encourage any female I care about not to dress too provocatively just because there are people out their who for whatever reason will commit sexual crimes. Sometimes it's not down to "rape culture", some people have mental health problems etc. that can cause it. It's better to not put yourself at risk in my opinion. You can't just blame it all on "rape culture".

In a perfect world where no crime is committed then we wouldn't need to worry and females could dress however they liked. At the same time, we could also do away with locks on our doors, burglar alarms, car alarms, the police force etc.

Rapists have been interviewed a lot, what a woman wears continually appears to not be a contributing factor at all, its a myth.

So good job trying to "sl*t shame" people you care about, and tell them what they can and can't wear if they want to feel safe and if they do wear something you don't approve of, they are some how contributing to the factor they have been raped you, disgusting horrid person.

Maybe next time you should tell a woman to not leave the house if she doesn't want to get raped and be with a "good" man to protect her, and if that man rapes her well then its her own fault for not wearing a burka and carrying a rape alarm and teasing him by breathing.

Good job supporting rape culture by victim blaming.

(why the hell is "slu*" censored on this forum!?)

 

[aln]

Telling someone to be safe because there are bad people out there isn't the same as supporting or propping up said bad people, whether the advice was wrong or not. It may be clouding the issue but thats a different matter.

Also the 1 in 20 statistic doesn't mean one of my 19 or friends or I are rapists, it could easily mean that the rest of us keep better company than you and it's just you and your 19 friends whom are rapists.

I'll probably get hate for this but we seem to be talking like rape is the only part of the problem. The issue if false accusations and mollycoddling of woman than results in two drunk people having sex they can barely remember being blamed exclusively on men doesn't help either.

Rape isn't actually a one sided argument and demonising everyone besides militant feminists isn't actually ever going to help you understand the problems our society is facing.

 

[Nitefly]

From what I've seen a bunch of unwashed toffs with huge noses, unattractive faces and ridiculous oily bouffants making them look like transvestites, getting hammered every weekend and posting their exploits on Facebook ever 10min. They'll also quite often 'talk' to each other on Facebook whilst out even if they're stood right next to each other in the dive, just because they think it's interesting to others.

Just from what I've seen. Might be wrong.

That's a bit over the top.

What's wrong with my nose

 

[grimm]

Rapists have been interviewed a lot, what a woman wears continually appears to not be a contributing factor at all, its a myth.

So good job trying to "sl*t shame" people you care about, and tell them what they can and can't wear if they want to feel safe and if they do wear something you don't approve of, they are some how contributing to the factor they have been raped you, disgusting horrid person.

Maybe next time you should tell a woman to not leave the house if she doesn't want to get raped and be with a "good" man to protect her, and if that man rapes her well then its her own fault for not wearing a burka and carrying a rape alarm and teasing him by breathing.

Good job supporting rape culture by victim blaming.

(why the hell is "slu*" censored on this forum!?)

Whoa, you really are a **** aren't you?

 

[Judgeneo]

I don't think 'lad culture' is anywhere near as prevalent as the article makes out. Women obviously get a lot of attention on student nights out, but I don't remember seeing or hearing about groping, and if anything there is LESS sexual harassment than outside the university setting.


That said the sports teams do pretty stupid things. Every year the SU allows the rugby team back into the campus club, and every year they are banned shortly afterwards.

 

[Raymond Lin]

That's a bit over the top.

What's wrong with my nose

And your ears

 

[hurfdurf]

Whoa, you really are a **** aren't you?

A what now?

 

[hurfdurf]

Telling someone to be safe because there are bad people out there isn't the same as supporting or propping up said bad people, whether the advice was wrong or not. It may be clouding the issue but thats a different matter.

Also the 1 in 20 statistic doesn't mean one of my 19 or friends or I are rapists, it could easily mean that the rest of us keep better company than you and it's just you and your 19 friends whom are rapists.

I'll probably get hate for this but we seem to be talking like rape is the only part of the problem. The issue if false accusations and mollycoddling of woman than results in two drunk people having sex they can barely remember being blamed exclusively on men doesn't help either.

Rape isn't actually a one sided argument and demonising everyone besides militant feminists isn't actually ever going to help you understand the problems our society is facing.

Did you even read it, because this is a really really dumb response...

First off, I didn't ask 20 of my friends, its quite clearly a peer reviewed piece of academic research, not of my own doing....

 

[Ahleckz]

I know Kelley Temple, she's a nutter.

There is a huge problem in this country, and within my peers, with perceptions of rape and the so called rape culture. People need educated on it, and people need to stop blaming the victims. If a woman wants to go out and wear next to nothing, she shouldn't be shamed and ostracised for this and nor should she be seen as a slapper/whore or whatever. It shouldn't even matter.

 

[No1newts]

Don't try reasoning with herpderp you'll only fail to find any reason in there.

On topic aln and Grimm make valid points. It's all well and good thinking ideal world but unfortunately it's not an ideal world and there are ******* out there who will rape and use any excuse. Being careful is in no way being wrong or reinforcing a "rape culture" neither is locking your doors reinforcing a robbery culture or avoiding bad areas promoting a murder culture. It's a free society and one of the "downsides" of this is that all sorts are out there so looking after yourself and your friends/family should not be viewed as a bad thing.

The moronic thing is trying to demonise those who want to look after themselves and their friends in a bad place. In fact it is more herpderp and his crowd protecting the rapists and giving them the chance they need by alienating others who try their best to come up with a solution.

 

[aln]

Did you even read it, because this is a really really dumb response...

First off, I didn't ask 20 of my friends, its quite clearly a peer reviewed piece of academic research, not of my own doing....

The article is a joke mate. Linking to academic papers doesn't give it any more weight.

Even still, first link to documentation doesn't work for me, second is an American paper which I thought was a bit meh. Sure it outlines typical characteristics of a typical rapist and cites but I'd argue that many would like the pushy manly man and thats in part why they're so successful.

It glosses over a complicated subject and focuses on a subset of men these men who literally take advantage and then is used as a cite to brandish all such men as rapists, or at least makes it seem that way if it fails to come fourth with a direct accusation.

So no I'm not really fond of a publication that acts like all woman are the same as her, and all men should fit into what she believes a man should be. Rape is a terrible thing, I'd never trivialize it, but I can't help but think articles written like that do.

I also didn't say you asked 20 of your friends.

Slightly off topic, I rejected a girl who was drunk once. She was raging about it and didn't speak to me for weeks because of it. Next time round with her I didn't make the same mistake, I gave it to her good, whoops guess I'm a serial rapist because she lived with me for 3 years and was an extremely horny when drunk. For the record she also liked it rough, FYI, just so we're clear, I'm a violent serial rapist.

 

[RDM]

Rape is a terrible thing, I'd never trivialize it...

I gave it to her good, whoops guess I'm a serial rapist because she lived with me for 3 years and was an extremely horny when drunk. For the record she also liked it rough, FYI, just so we're clear, I'm a violent serial rapist.

It seems that "never" occurred in the very same post...

 

[Xordium]

Wasn't their an anonymous email thread on here months back and someone admitted to raping their wife in it? Sent it in anonymously that is.

 

[aln]

It seems that "never" occurred in the very same post...

Thats not trivializing rape, it's taking the **** out of the weak understanding of the desires of woman that people with a stick up their butt have. Many woman like "lads". It's their type. Articles like the above are apparently blaming "lads" for validating actual rapists which is completely outrageous.

 

[RDM]

Thats not trivializing rape, it's taking the **** out of the weak understanding of the desires of woman that people with a stick up their butt have. Many woman like "lads". It's their type. Articles like the above are apparently blaming "lads" for validating actual rapists which is completely outrageous.

How is saying you are a serial rapist because your girlfriend likes sex drunk not trivialising the act of rape?

 

[aln]

How is saying you are a serial rapist because your girlfriend likes sex drunk not trivialising the act of rape?

How is it? It's clearly not a point directed at validating rape in anyway and I though it was quite clearly criticism of someone elses understanding of the issue.

This is the problem with subjects like this, it's so taboo that the PC are outraged at any point that doesn't sound like "rape is bad, mmmkay?". Sure rape is bad, but thats not really what I was talking about, was it?

Do you agree with the article I am criticizing?

 

[hurfdurf]

It seems that "never" occurred in the very same post...

The level of cognitive dissidence is very astounding in rape apologists, so yea, its hardly surprising though is it.

 

[hurfdurf]

Don't try reasoning with herpderp you'll only fail to find any reason in there.

On topic aln and Grimm make valid points. It's all well and good thinking ideal world but unfortunately it's not an ideal world and there are ******* out there who will rape and use any excuse. Being careful is in no way being wrong or reinforcing a "rape culture" neither is locking your doors reinforcing a robbery culture or avoiding bad areas promoting a murder culture. It's a free society and one of the "downsides" of this is that all sorts are out there so looking after yourself and your friends/family should not be viewed as a bad thing.

The moronic thing is trying to demonise those who want to look after themselves and their friends in a bad place. In fact it is more herpderp and his crowd protecting the rapists and giving them the chance they need by alienating others who try their best to come up with a solution.

Do you think "rape" can be solved like it is some kind of solution?! What kind of planet do you live on?

Slu t shaming and giving out terrible advice is not protecting women from rape, it is in fact making rape seen as more socially acceptable because it is some how a woman's responsibility to not be raped based on factors that are entirely out of her control, but making out that it is actually because she wore an outfit you didn't approve of because of your misguided "advice"

Bare in mind that "being careful" will not prevent most rapes, because they are not violent stranger danger rapes, again, another daft conception that stereotypes rape incorrectly and harms actual rape victims.

 

[hurfdurf]

Thats not trivializing rape, it's taking the **** out of the weak understanding of the desires of woman that people with a stick up their butt have. Many woman like "lads". It's their type. Articles like the above are apparently blaming "lads" for validating actual rapists which is completely outrageous.

Ah yes, I have "weak understanding" of women, how funny.

Says the guy who brings up one piece of analytical evidence, which also shows that he had sex with all of one girl for a whole 3 years, such vast knowledge he must contain.

 

[aln]

Ah yes, I have "weak understanding" of women, how funny.

I was directly referring to the article that wants to castrate areas of male culture using the poorly framed excuse it validates the abhorrent. I was also illustrating that many woman wouldn't be entirely pleased if the writer actually achieved this.

But since you thought enough of it to quote it verbatim, feel free to take it personally if you want.

Says the guy who brings up one piece of analytical evidence, which also shows that he had sex with all of one girl for a whole 3 years, such vast knowledge he must contain.

I presume you mean anecdotal not analytical, yes?

Also that doesn't actually show I only had sex with only one girl for 3 years. You're assuming stuff that you don't know from the little I have told you. You're also actually correct, except it was for 4 years, but that doesn't change the fact you were assuming.

Is this you now trying to put yourself forward as some kind of a stud / man whore now? Haha.