People in positions of responsibility and their use of phrases like "end of play", "streamlined oper

ilikedthecore said:
I don't have time to read all the replies to this thread, just give me the big picture.
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Basically we need more blue sky thinkers, those who are not afraid to think out side the box and ping for more synergy, once this is finished we will be ready to face our next challenge. Oh yeah and we will need to touch base about this thread at some point so we know where we are.
 
When I hear some of these it just makes me want to hit them for being a pretentious dick. Why can't people be normal?

King Damager said:
Going forward, I'd quite like to get this resolved before we move on any other issues.

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Is going forward making reference to time?
 
Quick win... lol that has to be my least favorite phrase "played" by the getting to middle aged, squash playing, middle manager and inexperienced, team leader, morons that think that talking this way earns them respect as they report back to their overlord kowtowing all the way.

I've used the phrases in such a sarcastic manner the whole unit was howling with laughter.
 
What do the people who criticise or have issues with 'business speak' think of internet and text speak? How many people criticising its use here would think nothing of using for the win, owned, my bad and other such language? My experience is the language isn't actually the problem, the issues tend to come from this perspective and be based on the 'British Disease' of sneering, sadly.

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I like clear, concise English that gets to the point personally, I hate buzz words too but I also hate text and internet speak as it's lazy language...even if I still find myself using both on occasions...
 
Minxy said:
You guys get full sentences? I work for an American corporate giant and all we get now is 3 letter acronyms.

To see "end of play" on an email would be a joy, we get "COB" (close of business) and other such delights.
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Same :D
We actually have an acronym database on our intranet...
 
Housey said:
What do the people who criticise or have issues with 'business speak' think of internet and text speak? How many people criticising its use here would think nothing of using for the win, owned, my bad and other such language? My experience is the language isn't actually the problem, the issues tend to come from this perspective and be based on the 'British Disease' of sneering, sadly.
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The difference is most people who use internet memes and idioms do so for lighthearted or comical reasons, that's different to using certain terms because you think it makes you more business-like and some kind of business guru.

Also, few people will use internet terms in their everyday speech.
 
Could you imagine the paradox of wannabe business gurus working for an ISP or Ebay

"lol end of the day m8s"
 
estebanrey said:
It's no more succinct than "easy job" which is all "quick win" basically means in management speak.
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Really? I've always used and heard it used to refer to a benefit that can be delivered quickly. So that's 2 syllables vs 10 syllables. :p

Quickly does necessarily mean easy.
 
Devrij said:
My pet hate: Manage expectations. It's code for "deal with this unhappy client for me, but without costing us anything".
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Then it is being used out of context.

Expectation: What, how and/or when someone is expecting something.
Managing: Controlling.

Managing expectations makes perfect sense. "Don't make them think they are getting getting more, in a better way, and earlier, than they actually are."
 
Devrij said:
Exactly my point. I manage my clients' expectations by, for example, explaining the limits of our free design service. I am occasionally told to manage their expectations when their ad hasn't gone in the paper. Unless I can time travel, that's just not possible.
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krooton said:
Then it is being used out of context.

Expectation: What, how and/or when someone is expecting something.
Managing: Controlling.

Managing expectations makes perfect sense. "Don't make them think they are getting getting more, in a better way, and earlier, than they actually are."
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Yeah I completely agree. I don't think I was very clear in my post :o
 
estebanrey said:
The difference is most people who use internet memes and idioms do so for lighthearted or comical reasons, that's different to using certain terms because you think it makes you more business-like and some kind of business guru.
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A somewhat simple interpretation. It is pervasive because it's common in corporate circles, more so when they are US institutions. Its use for effect may be a few people I don't disagree, but don't assume it's people simply trying to climb the ladder or be seen as a guru because it isn't, it's just an example of changing times and language.

estebanrey said:
Also, few people will use internet terms in their everyday speech.
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I suggest you are less prone to recognising it because it's more pervasive than you think, Americanisms etc are changing our language, you tend to notice things more when they are not in your normal way of life, that was my point. I hear internet and geek speak (for want of a better word) all the time, not least from technical teams.

You also show my point as you seem think people use the language simply because they want to be seen as something they are not, which I don't agree with. A modern vocabulary is not something that climbs you up the corporate ladder or makes you a guru, you need to be good and those who don't seek the climb often find it easier to criticise and sneer, which was also my point. I say again, I hate the use of buzzwords, I appreciate and aspire to eloquence but I like words, nice English old fashioned words used appropriately.
 
krooton said:
Really? I've always used and heard it used to refer to a benefit that can be delivered quickly. So that's 2 syllables vs 10 syllables. :p

Quickly does necessarily mean easy.
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I presume you meant 'doesn't' in that last line? If something is a 'quick win' there is also the implication there that your are sure you can do/achieve it, I've always heard it to mean 'something that doesn't take a lot of time and we're sure we can pull off', so the 'easy' bit of my translation was more related to the "win" part of the phrase rather than the 'quick' bit.

To put it another way, would you ever use the expression 'quick win' to describe a difficult task?
 
estebanrey said:
I presume you meant 'doesn't' in that last line? If something is a 'quick win' there is also the implication there that your are sure you can do/achieve it, I've always heard it to mean 'something that doesn't take a lot of time and we're sure we can pull off', so the 'easy' bit of my translation was more related to the "win" part of the phrase rather than the 'quick' bit.

To put it another way, would you ever use the expression 'quick win' to describe a difficult task?
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Provided the task delivers benefit quickly, then yes. But that might just be me and the places I have worked. :p

Might just be because everything I work with revolves around deadlines and delivery dates.

Something that is simple to achieve, but would take a long time (ie. Another change that is being delivered by a different project that is going live in 2 months time, but benefits our project greatly) it is not a quick win.

Perhaps if easy meant "achievable quickly with the resource available", then I would agree with easy job, even with the thai massage connotations. :D
 
My dad calls me to 'touch base' every now and then, and he ends the call by saying ciao.

*Facepalm*

I try to avoid business speak because, whilst I think it has its place, it can make you look like a dick.
 
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