Was Jesus a Demigod?

[Naffa]

There are accepted definitions of ethnicity however, and Egyptians, particularly Copts have a definitive ethnicity that is widely accepted. Barak Obama is an African American and therefore commonly referred to as a Black person, in which 'go down south a bit' places would he be considered not black? As a rule social convention generally refers to a Black ethnicity in the context of Africa as being specific to sub-Saharan Africa rather than the various ethnicities in North Africa such as the Berbers, Arabs and so on. (There are also other definitions including Aborigines and others, although I have not come across any anthropological or social acceptance of the term relations to Arabs or Berbers)

And although they are all Popes, they are not all The Pope in the context of this thread as the title Pope simply means Father and it a bit of a stretch to make the argument that answers the question for both the reasons I gave previously.

I also already gave three examples of North Africa Popes of the Catholic Church and how none of them are universally considered to be Black Popes, either by the Church or by commentators. If they were then I am quite sure the Vatican would point to them when being criticised for not having a Black Pope.

So many strawmen... You should come and work at my farm. 'Accepted definitions', 'widely accepted', whatever. It's not academic, and I didn't even say that the definitions weren't widely accepted, I said that they are not universally accepted, which is true. Again, I didn't say that the president wouldn't be considered black in South America, just that he would fit into at least ten different racial categories, which illustrates the above point.

As for the rest, fair point. I am aware that the Coptic Pope is not a Catholic.

 

[V4NT0M]

He was neither god demigod.

 

[Castiel]

So many strawmen... You should come and work at my farm. 'Accepted definitions', 'widely accepted', whatever. It's not academic, and I didn't even say that the definitions weren't widely accepted, I said that they are not universally accepted, which is true. Again.

It is has an academic basis and that is the point, there are academically accepted definitions for ethnicity, and the Copts fall into one of those, and I have never heard, nor can I find any references that support the notion that Copts are considered Black African. It isn't a strawman, it is a direct response to what you stated and why I think that the idea that a Copt Patriarch can be considered a Black Pope is flawed.

I didn't say that the president wouldn't be considered black in South America, just that he would fit into at least ten different racial categories, which illustrates the above point.

OK, I thought that was the point you were trying to convey, that because one definition in one authority categorised him a Black, other authorities further south would not do so and have a range of other racial categories that would replace that, So he would still be considered Black, which kind of illustrates my point about the Copts and North Africans, I can find no respectable references to Arabs or anyone of Mediterranean descent being referred to in such a way as to predispose the idea that an Arab, Berber or Copt Pope could be considered a Black Pope.

Out of interest which 10 or so different racial categories would Barak Obama fit into? and why is that relevant if he still remains Black African American.

An interesting point to make as we are referencing an American to illustrate a point, The US formally recognise that those of European, North African and Middle Eastern descent are all classified as White. I have no evidence that any other relevant authority contradicts that.

As for the rest, fair point. I am aware that the Coptic Pope is not a Catholic.

I still cannot find any evidence of a Black Pope, unless you consider the new Catholic Pope to be one because of his Jesuit association.

He has made an interesting start to his Papacy however, particularly on the point that the Church should be one of simplicity and using its wealth to help the poorest people in the world and not for privilege of it's clergy. He made a point that other Popes have failed to do and that is the Pope is a servant and Christ is the central figure of the Church not the Pope and that the Church and its Clergy should be about humility and not ambition. We shall see just how that goes down when the dust has settled.