Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19
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If they were battling tic for tac like that then why did Rosberg ask Ross to let him go?
No, the teams allow their drivers to race freely with no team orders allowed or imposed. When one driver has fallen out of the championship then team orders are allowed to be enforced by the team so that if the driver in front is the one who hasn't got a shot at winning the WDC is holding his team mate up who has then he can be asked to drop back.
I don't know. But Rosberg couldn't do it on pure speed. Or rather, pure tactics, as he kept passing in the first DRS zone and then being passed right back again.
Had Rosberg been genuinely faster and fueled for a charge he should have been able to not only pass the fuel managing Hamilton, but also stay in front and pull away.
As it was, he couldn't, so I suspect they both were driving to delta times to manage the fuel and Rosbergs rant and last few laps hustling was just to try to convince people he could have gone faster.
We will never know, but at least with the Mercedes they let them race for a bit before calling off the fight. Rosberg had a chance before they told him to stop.
I agree it appeared that way, but every time he got in front, Hamilton re-passed him.
If he was genuinely faster and not saving fuel, he should have been able to pull away.
I would imagine it was a condition of Ham joining that he'd be treated as No 1.
Rosberg denied: "I did not have to save fuel. Everything was alright. I will sit down together with Ross to rethink whether this was really the right decision."
The 27-year-old's rationale is that, with tyres in good shape and fuel in the tank, he might have been able to chase down the leading Red Bulls.
According to Auto Motor und Sport, 1996 world champion Damon Hill agreed: "He might at least have been able to hurry the Red Bulls into a tyre problem."
Rosberg added: "I don't know if I would have gotten the Red Bulls. But I felt good at the time. I was doing well and would have liked to see how far I could have gone."
The 27-year-old's rationale is that, with tyres in good shape and fuel in the tank, he might have been able to chase down the leading Red Bulls.
According to Auto Motor und Sport, 1996 world champion Damon Hill agreed: "He might at least have been able to hurry the Red Bulls into a tyre problem."
Rosberg added: "I don't know if I would have gotten the Red Bulls. But I felt good at the time. I was doing well and would have liked to see how far I could have gone."
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Yeah but then the big bet that RBR and Merc laid down before the race wouldn't come off and the Austro-German betting consortium wouldn't have won big style to fund the rise of Hitlers grandson.
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Well after the rapist and thieving of the earlier post, i just had to invoke Godwin's law!
potentially tricky situation all this, team orders seem to me more of a symptom of the way f1 works at the moment, short fueling the car, so they have that to manage along with high tyre deg, they potentially cant go flat out for the whole race aswell as finish, add in things like haivng only so many engines and gearbox's for 19 races, it isnt just about being the fastest on that day, there is so much more to consider and the drivers themselves arguably wont have everything at hand to make the best decision in the long term, so the teams need drivers who are willing to do as they are told otherwise they could put the teams long game at risk. I guess when they tell them to turn the engines down and hold position they are considering a lot more than the drivers themselves will be.
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This is a big part of the problem. Everything in F1 is designed to add to the tactical nature of the sport. Give them god awful tyres, inability to refuel midrace etc. If you want to see all out racing, you wouldn't watch F1. Most of the sport is dictated by the pace of the car so how can you say that a driver is bigger than the team. The team is trying to win the constructors, you are trying to win the drivers. The team takes precedence.
The way I see it is aside from sponsorship, the WCC prize money is what allows teams to compete in F1 and so ultimately is just so much more important than the WDC (do the teams get anything other than the right to have the 1/2 on their cars? Arguably the WDC brings in more sponsorship, but so would the WCC even without the WDC so I think thats moot) so things like team orders have to exist to maximise the teams ability to get those WCC points and the most sensible way is to get both cars home in the points.
To ignore such decrees just shows immaturity and a lack of respect to your fellow team mate. I really feel for MW in the case that hes seemingly always been on the wrong end of such team orders mainly because SV was just in a better position to fight for the WDC nearer the end of the season - so in reality theres some cruel logic there. What SV did was just illogical, hes poorly constructed responses after the race allude to that fact. If I was SV, and MW was less of a man, Id be watching my back next time its a 1-2...
Im glad though NR didnt tempt the same fate by passing LH, I dont care that he came over wrong over the radio and pushed Mercedes, eventually he understood the call and complied. I do think Ive underestimated that team partnership so be interesting to see if Mercedes dont fall away like they usually do where those 2 are near the end of the season...
I can appreciate as a racing fan, its not what we want to see, it doesnt add to the spectacle, so at best we can pass judgement/opinion whether the call was right or wrong and maybe the long term impact of it to intra-team dynamics. I just dont think we will ever have a fruitful discussion regards team orders and F1, whie F1 remains the way it is, everything is weighted towards the team over an individual driver.
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To ignore such decrees just shows immaturity and a lack of respect to your fellow team mate. I really feel for MW in the case that hes seemingly always been on the wrong end of such team orders mainly because SV was just in a better position to fight for the WDC nearer the end of the season - so in reality theres some cruel logic there. What SV did was just illogical, hes poorly constructed responses after the race allude to that fact. If I was SV, and MW was less of a man, Id be watching my back next time its a 1-2...
Im glad though NR didnt tempt the same fate by passing LH, I dont care that he came over wrong over the radio and pushed Mercedes, eventually he understood the call and complied. I do think Ive underestimated that team partnership so be interesting to see if Mercedes dont fall away like they usually do where those 2 are near the end of the season...
I can appreciate as a racing fan, its not what we want to see, it doesnt add to the spectacle, so at best we can pass judgement/opinion whether the call was right or wrong and maybe the long term impact of it to intra-team dynamics. I just dont think we will ever have a fruitful discussion regards team orders and F1, whie F1 remains the way it is, everything is weighted towards the team over an individual driver.
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He did, at least twice.