Poundland Girl Wins Forced Labour Ruling
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WOW! the rate at which signatures are coming in is astonishing.
So what proportion of the uk population or uk electorate have you reached so far?
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My ignore list is creeping up.
He's half right. You can live on £53 a week if all your main expenses are paid for you with benefits.
Anyway the problem isn't that benefits are too good, it's that we let people exploit the system too easily. I've been there and done it myself. I claimed JSA for a couple years with no intention of getting a job. It was a pretty crap period in my life, to be honest.
I'm not sure what the answer is, tbh. We're worlds apart from cultures like South Korea, where there is discipline in schools and everybody wants to succeed. We've probably had it too good for too long, and become dependent on being fed ready-made entertainment in enormous quantities, without having to ever engage our brains. Or maybe that's a load of crap. /shrug
Where does the 53 a week figure come from? If that's what people get in benefits to live on it must be enough I don't see anyone starving to death on the streets?
Why should he try and live off of that he has a job...
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Another highly convincing debating point from spanking...
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The question is perfectly valid, what proportion of the electorate supports your view. we could take the figures from the weekend protests if you wish, but I was offering you the opportunity to present more favourable ones if you have them.
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Well, the fact that he wants JSA claimants to work for it I think it's a cracking idea that he should be practising what he preaches.
UKs biggest problem was if you left school in 1997 at 16, you were a minimum of 29 when labour were kicked out, so for your entire adult life you were on the gravy train of free money should you choose.
The real world of social and personal fiscal responsibility is coming as big unpleasant shock to a lot of people.
Its no surprise that these are the ones squealing the loudest.
You think, or claim to think, that the only possible drawback with these schemes is:
You don't appear to have any interest in facts.
The maximum length of workfare is a lifetime because it's repeatable periods of up to 6 months. Even if it was (as you wrongly claim) 4 weeks, multiple periods of 4 weeks adds up to more than 4 weeks.
Your claim that working on the shop floor at Poundland consists of only "standing propped against shelves" also makes your lack of interest in facts clear. I don't know if you believe your own words or not, but I do know that they're not an accurate description of reality.
I'm not in the same metaphorical foxhole as spankingtexan, but I'm in one on the same side of the lines. Their rhetoric is no more fevered than yours and they at least have some factual basis behind their wild-eyed preaching.
In my experience, a lot of the concern is coming from the working poor and with good reason. It's our jobs that are being removed by these schemes - companies that will accept indentured servants from the government do so in order to get rid of paid employees. Why would a company pay their peasants for menial work when they can get it done for free by peasants supplied by the government? We're just a cost, to be reduced as much as possible and you can't get cheaper than free (to the company - it's extremely expensive to the country).
But hey, we're just peasants squealing. No need to care.
Can you back that up with figures? I didn't leave school until a lot later and am wondering how much free money people got under Labour?
Tell you what your generation is so ungrateful. You don't know you are born. Back in my day all we got was the right to buy our relatives council houses on the cheap on cheap mortgages and see them climb in value, we hardly got anything when the building societies turned in to banks at most say 5 grand, free university and grants ... you lot are spoon fed I tell you spoon fed!
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Can people stop being mean to Iain Duncan Smith please! He's doing a tough job in a challenging economic climate and all he wants is the best for the British people and to create a fair welfare system.
He doesn't like hurting people's feelings but unfortunately that is the nature of the job he has right now. People like spankingtexan simply don't appreciate the hard work this man is selflessly doing for his country. I'm sure he'd much rather have your job of copying and pasting propaganda from bat**** insane websites than take money from the lazy and/or f3ckless
He doesn't like hurting people's feelings but unfortunately that is the nature of the job he has right now. People like spankingtexan simply don't appreciate the hard work this man is selflessly doing for his country. I'm sure he'd much rather have your job of copying and pasting propaganda from bat**** insane websites than take money from the lazy and/or f3ckless
I am very much interested in facts. I live for true stories. If you have any (facts that is), if I am wrong - do tell me. Educate me. That's what this discussion is for. Don't just yell at me, tell me where I am wrong instead. And do give me hard facts, any facts, because so far we cannot count on any facts from the camp adjacent to your view, certainly not with the volume of utter nonsense and rubbish spankingtexan spams this thread with.
Can you back this up? All the docs, articles and reports I have ever seen on gov sites and media (including links I posted) repeat up to 4 weeks. There is a mention on one website that voluntary work experience for 16-24 years old can be joined to create up to maximum of eight weeks, but that's about it. That's all I found.
It's a figure of speech over-exaggeration, sure, but to be honest - what do you think happens in a basic Poundland temp job, though? It's not like they will mine coal in darkness for weeks or cut trees in temperatures below zero. It pretty much is going to be either shelf stacking, till job or stock taking. I try to imagine the worst case scenario, but in my mind it's not going to be anything career breaking, nothing to traumatise our youth or scar them for life. Even the most fragile rose of Essex should be, at least in theory, capable of surviving four, eight or even more weeks of intense basic training dayshift labour at a Poundland?
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Can people stop being mean to Iain Duncan Smith please! He's doing a tough job in a challenging economic climate and all he wants is the best for the British people and to create a fair welfare system.
He doesn't like hurting people's feelings but unfortunately that is the nature of the job he has right now. People like spankingtexan simply don't appreciate the hard work this man is selflessly doing for his country. I'm sure he'd much rather have your job of copying and pasting propaganda from bat**** insane websites than take money from the lazy and/or f3ckless
"Lazy and or ****less."
Or just simply unemployed in difficult economic circumstances?
Perhaps when people like you stop insulting thousands, those opposed may relent on IDS in equal measure.
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but you don't have a job or pay tax on your income i'm guessing?