Baroness Thatcher has died.

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C.R.A.Z.Y said:
This is the new comment about Thatcher from Morrissey (the previous one was from before her death)
Once again I agree 100% (well maybe 99%, the last part is a bit much :p)
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He's just plain wrong. She was elected three times with a clear majority. You can't dismiss that as not giving a **** about people. The guy is a tool.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...graph-readers-remember-Margaret-Thatcher.html

Great article.

I was a young student in Poland occupied by communists when Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were bringing hope to all of us who opposed the Soviet regime.

For me she is a symbol of a freedom fighter, defender of individual rights and liberties and a great example of a politician who was doing right things and not pleasing the crowds.

Requiescat in pacem.

Dr Christopher Magier
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Thatcher was the first ever Oxford educated post-war Prime Minister to NOT be awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of Oxford! But I guess they had her all wrong as well :rolleyes:
 
mmj_uk said:
A majority is more than half of all voters, she never got a majority:

1979: 43.9%
1983: 42.4%
1987: 42.2%

The 'majority' voted for other parties in all 3 elections.
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As far as the UK voting system goes majority and plurality are used interchangeably.
 
Housey said:
Ah yes, the voice of perspective, well said that man.

I was 12 years old when she came to power and grew up during her tenure with a Liberal mother and Tory father, both working class. I went to a Comprehensive in a heavy mining area that had generations of miners families around me. I left school far from the most qualified but got out there and made it happen, never got a hand up, never got a silver spoon and never looked to others to provide. The country was dire in the 70's and early 80's, she changed it for me for the better and allowed me to do well but I had lots of mates who didn't and usually it was someone else's fault and that someone was Thatcher often...in their mind. I didn't see it that way but some people do and some people want and though an over simplification of course, they tend to fit the camps of lovers and haters of The Thatch more often than not.

I can't speak for the miners, their families or others who feel hard done by, but unlike I suspect many on this thread I felt it and lived it and I think that adds flavour to your perspective. The unions had to be crunched they were taking the pee and even if she did many things wrong, for she did, she stood for something and sadly we lack that today. To suggest she did nothing good as many do is idiotic and ignorant, blinkered by perception perhaps.

Be interesting to see a poll of who was born when she came to power or even when she left power. I personally don't believe this thread is full of learned sorts who have read about all aspects of her reign so probably will be mainly people forming opinions based on their current voting choice or what mum and dad have told them, which I think undervalues it and misses the Zeitgeist of the time. In 1979 Great Britain was a very different place to today so judging her on current political graces is, in my opinion (and that is all it is) shortsighted.
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Tut tut tut, what would your mother say?

It's true I'm ill informed, however I can remember the day we were no longer having awesome free milk in primary school. Mild disappointment. I can also remember growing up throughout some incredibly tough times where my fathers business failed/was killed overnight due to the mass public panic over salmonella inspired by Edwina Curry's flippant comments. Irrecoverable damage done in an instant as a direct result of misinformation perpetrated from the mouth of a politician who couldn't care less. She was later shown to be completely 100% wrong on the matter. I subsequently watched both my parents being worked to the bone over the following years, with my father often returning home looking like a concentration camp victim after not seeing sunshine for many a winter day (I'm not even exaggerating, he looked like absolute death, slaughterhouses are utter ****holes). My mother being forced to take various jobs of varying degrees humiliation (at least in my eyes at the time) out of desperation to supplement the household income. The tension, the arguments, the constant financial worries, growing up with that sense of constant doom looming was not fun - you may have flourished under good old Maggies reign but other people, like it or not, suffered and suffered hard. (The sad thing is we were probably faring better than most, my childhood is far from the sob story I have made out).

Blinkered by perception, maybe, but to suggest political policies don't have immediate and direct far reaching effects on people's daily lives because of a few minority success examples is a fallacy and you know it, whether or not you feel you got there by exercising personal responsibility above the norm and by not blaming an easy target/scapegoat. Aspiration nation indeed. I hope my empirical branch of epistemology provides enough of a 'flavour' for you that the a priori rationalists apparently can't possibly understand or obtain (especially when history is being rewritten right under everyone's nose.)

For once Morrissey seems to be actually talking some sense, the PR campaign is well under way with every exploited working class person seemingly parroting sentiments about sitting on the fence and respecting old Maggie - could someone please counter his points without resorting to one liner dismissals? Ta.

Cue 'Oh the irony'.
 
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Robosapien said:
Tut tut tut, what would your mother say?

It's true I'm ill informed, however I can remember the day we were no longer having awesome free milk in primary school. Mild disappointment. I can also remember growing up throughout some incredibly tough times where my fathers business failed/was killed overnight due to the mass public panic over salmonella inspired by Edwina Curry's flippant comments. Irrecoverable damage done in an instant as a direct result of misinformation perpetrated from the mouth of a politician who couldn't care less. She was later shown to be completely 100% wrong on the matter. I subsequently watched both my parents being worked to the bone over the following years, with my father often returning home looking like a concentration camp victim after not seeing sunshine for many a winter day (I'm not even exaggerating, he looked like absolute death, slaughterhouses are utter ****holes). My mother being forced to take various jobs of varying degrees humiliation (at least in my eyes at the time) out of desperation to supplement the household income. The tension, the arguments, the constant financial worries, growing up with that sense of constant doom looming was not fun - you may have flourished under good old Maggies reign but other people, like it or not, suffered and suffered hard. (The sad thing is we were probably faring better than most, my childhood is far from the sob story I have made out).

Blinkered by perception, maybe, but to suggest political policies don't have immediate and direct far reaching effects on people's daily lives because of a few minority success examples is a fallacy and you know it, whether or not you feel you got there by exercising personal responsibility above the norm and by not blaming an easy target/scapegoat. Aspiration nation indeed. I hope my empirical branch of epistemology provides enough of a 'flavour' for you that the a priori rationalists apparently can't possibly understand or obtain (especially when history is being rewritten right under everyone's nose.)

For once Morrissey seems to be actually talking some sense, the PR campaign is well under way with every exploited working class person seemingly parroting sentiments about sitting on the fence and respecting old Maggie - could someone please counter his points without resorting to one liner dismissals? Ta.

Cue 'Oh the irony'.
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Yeah see, that's to do with another person, who used the word eggs, instead of flocks, and was actually time victim of a cover up and proved right in the fact that there had been a salmonella epidemic and I quote "of considerable proportions".

So another person guilty of only trying to do the right thing.
 
Castiel said:
instead relying on the private and voluntary sectors and funding them directly.
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That was because the various councils were refusing to build social housing. What would be the point of spending (say) £50k to build a new house, if after three years the law obliged you to sell to the tenant for (say) £30k. A tenant who could then wait a couple of years and sell for (say) £70, with none of the profit going to the council who were subsidising them? And what money the council did make, they weren't allowed to spend? Unsurprisingly, none of the councils wanted to play that game.
 
Talking about it in general chat with my mother in law her main issue with her was she stopped her milk when they were at school. - I lol'd
 
Faustus said:
Absolutely - they didn't have enough. Look at what has happened since, Thatcher took away whatever small amount of power the unions had. As a result the British workforce today is a low wage economy with lots of crap jobs and a workforce that easy to get rid of. Why would any right minded working person think that's a great legacy? Astonishing. :confused:
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The NUC were as much to blame to what happened to the miners as the government was. The left wing moron running the Union allowed it to become personal and a straight toe to toe fight which he thought he'd win as he was a bloke and Thatcher was a woman.

The strikes were not even legitimate as no ballot was called, instead they deployed flying pickets to physically threaten anyone in other regions who went to work. They didn't call ballot as the NUC knew there was a good chance it wouldn't get the result they wanted, because most miners knew we had pits open with next to no coal and the cuts were common sense.

Thatcher originally proposed a few pit closures, (Pits that were only bringing up dirt as there was very little coal.) and efficiency measures to get the pits that actually had some coal up to speed. 20000 out of 120000 job cuts were proposed.

Not bad when you see what they ended up with. Scargill was a militant moron.

harshuk said:
Talking about it in general chat with my mother in law her main issue with her was she stopped her milk when they were at school. - I lol'd
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Milk time in school was a weird ritual, which involved everyone sitting around (In silence at my school.) drinking warmish milk delivered that morning, god knows why people found it so important.
 
My classroom was next to the caretakers office where the milk was delivered and kept.
If there were any left over our class would get 1st dibs on it.

I have vague memories of being 6 years old and drinking about 6 pints of milk in little 1/3rd of a pint bottles :) No wonder im 6`6" tall.

So in that respect thats why i Dont like the Witch. She stole my milk too.

(take this as sarcastically as you want. There are a lot of outraged 20 some things at the moment desperately looking for conflict)
 
RDM said:
As far as the UK voting system goes majority and plurality are used interchangeably.
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Wrong. The term majority refers to a majority among MPs not among raw votes. Cameron did not get a majority, he did get a plurality.
 
Stretch said:
He's just plain wrong. She was elected three times with a clear majority. You can't dismiss that as not giving a **** about people. The guy is a tool.
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RUBBISH

that massive majority or landslide never consisted of more than 44% of the vote. That means that for every 44 people who voted for her, 56 did not. Some majority!
 
People having celebration parties due to her death are sick.

The Iron Lady had some balls to actually do something unlike these sissies who are born with balls and still don't make good usage of them. This whole world makes me sick.
 
Mr Jack said:
Wrong. The term majority refers to a majority among MPs not among raw votes. Cameron did not get a majority, he did get a plurality.
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I am we'll aware of the correct use of the words however in the UK we have tended to use majority instead of plurality when it comes to voting. Just one of those peculiarities of English.
 
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