Bioshock 3 - Infinite

Mal X · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:24

flipping heck this is a slow download from Steam, it's the slowest game ever !!!
i'm really getting fed up with this...9 hours.

this game had better be good :mad:

Mal X · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:36

DrToffnar said:
Ever wondered why they're kept as single player games then...?

People seem to throw up the same BS every time and rank it down hugely for it.
"The weapons arsenal is limited"
... Well, yeah of course it's limited; we have a bunch of what are basically magic spells to mess about with. I mean yeah it's a valid point, but what boring, banal idiot would prefer to have a large variety of weaponry over the ability to mix and match powers that make you feel unique and powerful on the battlefield...?

If you play the game like an average shooter then OFCOURSE it's going to feel repetitive and mediocre. Surely that's a given?

And as for those people who say the story is 'convoluted nonsense', I just feel sorry for you.

no way man, i want to play the game as if i'm there right now, this means i only use guns, i want the game to feel real life, i hate those special powers and i did so in the 1st game as well..i'm a shooter only

i will play this game just like Painkiller/Serious Sam, but yea' if i die all the time, then i might have to use those powers as well

you say that i'm a boring banal idiot.... no, he's the type that plays COD

uncle_rufus · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:41

Mal X said:
i want the game to feel real life

Then really you're going to be limited to the first scene at the lighthouse, thats about the only remotely "realistic" part of the entire game...

It seems weird that you play games and yet appear to want to reject the escapism that they provide? Did you read the first few chapters of Harry Potter and stop when any wizard-related stuff started happening? "No,no,no this isn't realistic at all"

Rroff · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:42

jrodga2k5 said:
There are plenty of Oil Spillages about the maps for example...light them up

Quite useful for replaying in 1999 mode but you don't tend to notice them until after fights in the first play through and/or aren't in good positions to use except in the first few moments.

Quite like 1999 mode though not sure I have the energy these days to replay the game fully with it - tho its not _that_ hard as such you have to think ahead through every fight if you want to succeed.

Rroff · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:44

Mal X said:
no way man, i want to play the game as if i'm there right now, this means i only use guns, i want the game to feel real life, i hate those special powers and i did so in the 1st game as well..i'm a shooter only

i will play this game just like Painkiller/Serious Sam, but yea' if i die all the time, then i might have to use those powers as well

you say that i'm a boring banal idiot.... no, he's the type that plays COD

You can do most of it without vigors, get the outfit items (if thats not too unrealistic for you) that let you max out the damage potential of the carbine and most stuff drops from a well aimed headshot. But your gonna struggle to do the boss type fights without vigors, mostly due to running out of ammo otherwise rather than being hard.

I'm not sure why you'd even play bioshock tho if your not interested in a degree of fantasy setting and the powers/customisation.

Pighardia · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:51

Mal X said:
no way man, i want to play the game as if i'm there right now, this means i only use guns, i want the game to feel real life,

It is set on a city floating in the sky....you wasted your money!

DrToffnar · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:52

Mal X said:
no way man, i want to play the game as if i'm there right now, this means i only use guns, i want the game to feel real life, i hate those special powers and i did so in the 1st game as well..i'm a shooter only

i will play this game just like Painkiller/Serious Sam, but yea' if i die all the time, then i might have to use those powers as well

you say that i'm a boring banal idiot.... no, he's the type that plays COD

Fair enough, then your not entitled to complain about the combat being shoddy. If your completely ignoring a mechanic thats meant to make the combat more interesting and fluid then I don't know where your arguments coming from...

iamtheoneneo · 10 Apr 2013 at 14:55

AWPC said:
TB is right on the money here & pretty fair about the game just shows you how most of the online reviews are paid for or bribed in some other way nowadays to give only positive reviews

Right so TB is 100% right and everyone else isnt? Good one!
seriously step away from the youtubes for a few minutes and you might just get some perspective.

The games got people talking because of its story and art direction and where Ken L takes it. Not because of its amazing gameplay - its an fps and you can only do so much but what their is, is enough to facilitate that story to where it needs to go and it keeps people ticking along to the end game (thats why you cant die!), The two are barely mutually exclusive for most of the game because of it.

It makes me laugh when people think TB is the voice of reason, this is the guy that ***** on pretty much everything and everyone because being the bad guy gets views remember, the guy barely has an actual decent opinion about anything as history has repeatedly showed and simply aims for 'flavour of the week'

Mal X · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:06

DrToffnar said:
Fair enough, then your not entitled to complain about the combat being shoddy. If your completely ignoring a mechanic thats meant to make the combat more interesting and fluid then I don't know where your arguments coming from...

i'm not complaining about the combat or the game setting, that's great, i'm complaining about the way i kill stuff, i want to use guns !!!!!

why did i download Bioshock then?.... because ******* Crysis Warhead wont play in offline mode, leaving me with no game to play, so i'm just hoping that Bioshock will be ok until DEAD ISLAND RIPTIDE/ METRO is out.

Mal X · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:16

if the game gets over 95% everywhere you look; then it'll be GOOD....it's only when BF3/COD gets over 95%, that you'll know it's still a pile of junk, regardless of what they say

Mal X · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:21

uncle_rufus said:
Then really you're going to be limited to the first scene at the lighthouse, thats about the only remotely "realistic" part of the entire game...

It seems weird that you play games and yet appear to want to reject the escapism that they provide? Did you read the first few chapters of Harry Potter and stop when any wizard-related stuff started happening? "No,no,no this isn't realistic at all"

i dont want the game necessarily to feel real life, just the way i interact with it, i.e guns/ my fists/ knife.

after all, all my fav shooters aren't real life at all, they're all escapism aren't they.

i.e DOOM 3....total fiction, but you with guns only, there is only one thing that will really annoy me with regards to Bioshock, and that's if i cant game in OFFLINE or it has Securom, but i dont think it does, this isn't EA

Narj · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:23

Mal X said:
after all, all my fav shooters aren't real life at all, they're all escapism aren't they.

i.e DOOM 3....total fiction, but you with guns only

*head explodes*

Alien zombie things from hell attacking you is fine but plasmids aren't.

O..K....

Mal X · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:28

Narj said:
*head explodes*

Alien zombie things from hell attacking you is fine but plasmids aren't.

O..K....

you're not reading the posts, it doesn't matter what attacks you or how, as long as you can fight back with guns/melee

uncle_rufus · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:39

Mal X said:
i dont want the game necessarily to feel real life, just the way i interact with it, i.e guns/ my fists/ knife.

Can't you just imagine that the vigors are actually just guns? A gun that fires bolts of electricity or fireballs (pretty much like a grenade launcher) or err... crows... Well you don't have to use all of them

Mockingbird · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:39

Mal X said:
you're not reading the posts, it doesn't matter what attacks you or how, as long as you can fight back with guns/melee

I think I know what you mean though.

I too found the plasmids offputting, not from a technical or flavour point of view, more just because it was immersion-breaking for me to be doing that sort of thing in a first-person mode. Not a fault of the game, just a reason why it's not suited to me (or I'm not suited to it, if you prefer).

Weirdly it does seem to be more of an issue in first person, and is more linked to the switching between physical and 'magical' weapons. Was fine with WoW (3rd person), happily played Titan Quest/Path of Exile (3rd person), but when it came to Skyrim all my favourite characters were sword-and-board or archers. The only exception was a pure mage character.

I guess it's probably linked to having a mental image of the character you're playing, but it does occur to me that in the first Bioshock it was also because at the point the Plasmids are introduced you don't need them. Normal weapons are still just fine, so I only ended up using plasmids for specific semi-scripted bits, and it never really became part of the overall feel of the character, it was always a case of 'oh yeah, I can do that as well...'.

uncle_rufus said:
Can't you just imagine that the vigors are actually just guns? A gun that fires bolts of electricity or fireballs (pretty much like a grenade launcher) or err... crows... Well you don't have to use all of them

I actually tried doing this in the first Bioshock - never quite worked for me. Unable to fool myself in that exact way I guess. Note that in Batman: Arkham City I don't mind him having EXACTLY THE SAME POWERS but via things thrown from his magical endlessly-recharging utility belt. Hurrah for consistency.

V4NT0M · 10 Apr 2013 at 15:58

GIVE EM THE OLD 1, 2 !

Mal X · 10 Apr 2013 at 16:40

it's the way your brain work, it's very hard to switch to using the left hand as well, it's slow and awkward at first, it just feels wrong

i dont think i can finish downloading Bioshock today, it's too slow, it wont finish till 8pm, i have to go home before then, which means the computer stays here and i cant game tonight !

i cant understand this slow download, i have super fast broadband, this technology is rubbish we cant carry on like this much longer, it looks like a switch to Discs again and then registering/ patching online... 20 mins in comparison to 8 hours.

do Steam/ EA and all these idiots think i'm going to waste 8 hours waiting for a game to download, i'm really losing it now, i've been on Steam 2 days and nothing but trouble... no Warhead... i couldn't find the FAR CRY 3 DLC....no Bioshock...and it took 1/2 an hour to turn off my rig due to updates.... oh god i'm so fed up with it all

``you cant play offline, you have no login details on this computer``...or, ``you need to register your key online``.... and this is always after i've got home and settled down to game !.....do you know how annoying this is.

Evilsod · 10 Apr 2013 at 17:20

No Mal its your outright refusal to adapt to anything. Borderlands was crap because it had loot. Bioshock is crap because it has pseudo-magic powers.

Also I am probably correct in saying, the problem is at your end. Outside of peak sale times or release dates for major titles, Steam basically never has problems with bandwidth.

Mockingbird · 10 Apr 2013 at 17:30

Mal X said:
``you cant play offline, you have no login details on this computer``...or, ``you need to register your key online``.... and this is always after i've got home and settled down to game !.....do you know how annoying this is.

I dunno - I've not encountered this as a major issue, but then I don't regularly have to deal with an unexpected lack of internet. Mostly I'm able to register online once, then enable offline mode, or just find a brief window of internet availability (if necessary, I can use my phone as a wifi hotspot for 5 minutes).

Most of the time, if there's a big game/update to DL I set it going overnight or leave it on during the day while I'm away at work. (There are remote management tools you can use to send the PC to sleep once it's done, if the power management bothers you.) A "prevent sleep while downloading" option is the one thing I think STEAM genuinely lacks.

If STEAM is going really, really slowly at your current location you can check that the geographic location is set right in STEAM (i.e. you're not in the USA trying to download from Manchester or something).

It may also be that the ISP you're connecting through, being a business one I assume, has some form of traffic shaping in place that means you're not seeing maximum speeds.

just Scott · 10 Apr 2013 at 17:30

Steam always maxes my connection.

How is downloading wasting your time? Surely that would only be true if you were sitting there looking at the progress bar. You can forget about it and do other things while it downloads.