Baroness Thatcher has died.
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Are you some type of loony-tune who feels it necessary to take issue or argue with every single post in a thread?
My reply wasn't even directed at you in any way, I don't thing I've even commented on any of your numerous & verbose posts. Neither do I find it necessary to pick over every single word in a post and take issue or look for "traps"
My information was simply anecdotal from years back (My neighbour used to be a miner) so I had a little look for some info to see if it was even in the ball-park in view of the various figures being bandied about. The £200-£300 I mentioned originally may well not be to the nearest decimal point to satisfy your need to quibble or feel aggrieved. But certainly £200+ is not unrealistic and believable of the day.
Personally I don't "get-off" on picking arguments with every other poster in the thread. I don't see other posters as opponents to be beaten or be offended by as you appear to. If they disagree they disagree. I find other peoples views interesting even if they are not the same as my own.
Just get over yourself, your opinion is no more valid than the next poster. And I don't see them doing the drama queen, hissy-fit bit.
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You are now querying ridiculously trivial things, you must know this. This after you declared you were going to stop posting
, oh but I mentioned your moniker and you claim that is why you made your grand entrance again. Odd that your declaration didn't offer this rider.Can I apologise to you m8?, I`m an idiot, please consider that post to be in response to Castiel, this was a formatting error on my part while trying to answer a lot of posts as you can see, again, sorry.
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Unfortunately the BBC fail to meet these expectations on all accounts.
I saw those figures on the Hansard website. There is a lot of information there, but unfortunately the search engine is not brilliant.
In the google preview of a book I linked to yesterday it was saying that early 80's wages were circa £170, and mid 80's circa £190. I find the increase in pay for such a short period of time pretty high, considering miners were already earning more than most. If the mid 80's wage is accurate at £190 then asking for over and above a 25% increase in pay is ludicrous especially given:
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So 125% more than the average wage of a male worker in manufacturing by 1983.
Or at least that is how I am reading those figures. And the NUM on behalf of its members were asking in excess of another 25%.(and lets not forget that is the "average" wage. Bonuses and OT were not mentioned so I will assume they are excluded.)
The evidence is starting to show that being a coal miner was quite lucrative in comparison to the manufacturing industry at least.
Do you have a link for that info....the Hansard site as well if possible.
It certainly supports the notion that Miners were paid substantially more than the average earner in Industry and why some like Dimple had the perception they did.
Also if they are average wages, what of the Notts miners who were earning four times the bonuses and double and triple time overtime...it is not that difficult to extrapolate significant earnings for some, especially if you factor in the NCB paid large bonuses quite regularly to forestall or end strike threats and actions, and also to increase or decrease production, holiday working etc....
You are right, it certainly seems to have been a very lucrative business to be in, it is no wonder they were so protective over their industry. I would be as well.
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I disagree with the decision that the tax payer should pay for her funeral.
And I'm also saying that I have nothing against her.
She, herself, didn't decide the tax payer should pay for her funeral expenses now did she. lol
What is so hard to understand about such a simple statement? I can conclude that your "What?" is the start of a pointless troll argument, which you are very well known for doing, therefore you will receive no further explanation from me.
No, I didn't know if you were disagreeing with the post or the fact that the funeral will be publicly funded. Not trolling dear, no need to get your knickers in a twist.
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I saw those figures on the Hansard website. There is a lot of information there, but unfortunately the search engine is not brilliant.
In the google preview of a book I linked to yesterday it was saying that early 80's wages were circa £170, and mid 80's circa £190. I find the increase in pay for such a short period of time pretty high, considering miners were already earning more than most. If the mid 80's wage is accurate at £190 then asking for over and above a 25% increase in pay is ludicrous especially given:
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So 125% more than the average wage of a male worker in manufacturing by 1983.
Or at least that is how I am reading those figures. And the NUM on behalf of its members were asking in excess of another 25%.
The evidence is starting to show that being a coal miner was quite lucrative in comparison to the manufacturing industry at least.
I thought you too weren't going to post again?, anyway Dimple says he was earning £75 a week fyi, doesn't look quite so good now then eh?
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And he does it again, a complete failure to read words.
He was told by his wife to use NEXT WEEKS WAGES WHICH DOES NOT EQUAL A DISPOSABLE INCOME OF £500+ EVERY WEEK.
Oh you are a silly billy.
And what's funny about having a stereo TV in 1983, it was top of the range and went perfect with my Ferguson 3V32?
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God Save The Queen by the Sex Pistols was one where it was banned for a number of years. There's a fairly lengthy list on Wikipedia, I don't know if they're all correct but for a number of them you can see why they might be banned due to references to sex, drugs or violence.
Great, now we've got two rubbish songs in the charts which are nominally about the same person rather than just one. A victory for common sense or something like that...
oooooooooooo careful, you DO realise IF the miner in question had various wage multipliers that we can not possibly know factually he may just have had enough to buy that tv
You are now querying ridiculously trivial things, you must know this. This after you declared you were going to stop posting
Why not simply answer the question?
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Yes certainly
The direct link to the page is LINK
You can use the menu at the top to go back as many tiers as you like as well as perform a fresh search.
I will point out that there seems to be an editing mistake on the page as there are some questions relating to the HSWA 1974 inserted in the middle!
Also, maths is not my strong point, so I am still trying to understand whether the table puts miners wages at 125% above that of manufacturing (IE over double the gross pay) or whether the 125% figure suggests they were 25% above manufacturing wages.
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Dimple said:
You clarified it yourself, with one weeks wages, this very much gives the impression that this is the norm.
Perhaps you should reflect on how you portray your life experiences come anecdotes as opposed to spacking out at those who ask questions about it.
Just the word 'stereo', you know, being a bit younger than you and all that it's like my gran going on about the transistor radio..
Dimple was not a miner though, so your point is?
Are you disputing the figures that have been given by buffetslayer and dampdog?, they are afterall what you have been requesting...average weekly wages for UK Miners, and they are substantiated by external sources.
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I said I was not going to post further about mine and your discussion/debate specifically.
Miners wages is still a pertinent topic within this thread outside of mine and your discussion/debate, so I am discussing them.
LOL, ooooooooooooo so you're not sure eh, BUT you stridently ventured this in your post?, you two are now becoming a laughing stock, you have spent god knows how many hours desperately trying to build a case to prove an unprovable claim lol.
It's like when Time Team find a small piece of pottery and they extrapolate a full roman temple from it lol
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Just the word 'stereo', you know, being a bit younger than you and all that it's like my gran going on about the transistor radio..
Point taken
My point is your brother in arms is comparing miners wages to average wages, my guess is Dimple is a good honest working class man (I mean that genuinely btw) and therefore his wage may well be pertinent. You follow?
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