Dom's Laptop is in Iran - An Update

[Sin_Chase]

No, the offence of handling stolen goods requires the mens rea aspect of knowing or believing they were stolen.

Believing is a much higher level than suspecting.

Short of admission in interview or demonstrating the receiving party should have believed they were stolen it's very hard to prove. You would need to show that given the circumstances there was no other conclusion to make other than that the goods were stolen.

 

[Hades]

The storey us on The Register now too.

 

[Dis86]

The storey us on The Register now too.

Que?

 

[d_brennen]

In English:

The story is on The Register now, too.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/12/stolen_laptop_iran/

 

[MickeyFinns]

I'm not a lawyer, but I think in regards to handling stolen goods, ignorance is not a defence.

In the UK you are still guilty of the offence even if you did not know the goods were stolen. (I think. Someone will probably corroborate / refute that shortly!!)

Nope. A 5 second google search states that knowledge must be proven;

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/22

 

[Westyfield2]

Erm what, should have kept it up! They're guilty of handling stolen goods surely? "But I thought the cheap MacBook I bought from someone down the pub was legit honest"

Anyways it's their own stupid fault for not secure erasing a second hand computer!

 

[MickeyFinns]

Erm what, should have kept it up! They're guilty of handling stolen goods surely? "But I thought the cheap MacBook I bought from someone down the pub was legit honest"

Anyways it's their own stupid fault for not secure erasing a second hand computer!

Read the previous posts. "Handling stolen goods" requires knowledge and intent.

 

[ubersonic]

If it's been found and he's turned down an offer to have it returned to him I can't see his insurance company being willing to pay out...

Technically he has now consented to the transfer of US technology to a prohibited country, so he's in violation of Apples EULA, now it gets serious

Read the previous posts. "Handling stolen goods" requires knowledge and intent.

With handling stolen goods, a court will also apply a "reasonable man" test, I.E would a reasonable man think that the £xxxx item he was getting for 1/3 its value was dodgy.

 

[Biohazard]

So he took the pictures down?

That's good, cause the Metro printed them today...

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

For that to be true it requires knowledge that the goods are stolen. Do you have any proof to back up your statement?

I was under the impression that the buyers are now aware that the laptop has been stolen.

 

[matthab]

Fail, I'd be wanting it back ASAP.

 

[bloodiedathame]

I thought the whole thing was an ad for the hidden app.

 

[MickeyFinns]

I was under the impression that the buyers are now aware that the laptop has been stolen.

But they weren't when they purchased it. Once made aware it was stolen they intended to return it but were then told they could keep it.

 

[ince]

Want this computa for 20 dollar. Me know need it any more.

Would this low price cause suspicions of it being stolen

 

[d_brennen]

So he took the pictures down?

That's good, cause the Metro printed them today...

LOL were they the edited ones? Monday's papers will be full of "Mother and daughter beheaded in Iran for handling stolen laptop"

 

[BuffetSlayer]

Nope. A 5 second google search states that knowledge must be proven;

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/22

Yeah I was a bit lazy there to be fair, sorry. (I based my assessment on something I part remembered hearing somewhere long ago). I was all puckered out from the Thatcher thread though!

Thanks for the link.

 

[djxput]

ya saw this story in the free London paper today (think the metro) -

 

[Biohazard]

LOL were they the edited ones? Monday's papers will be full of "Mother and daughter beheaded in Iran for handling stolen laptop"

I can't get imageshack to rotate it (it was uploaded straight), when I do it comes up with violation and is taken down.

First time I've had that!

 

[dacads]

And still nobody knows how it got to Iran