*breaking news* Boston Marathon explosions

[Raymond Lin]

To be fair to groen is strangely right on this one (Obama being as pwoerful as people think). It does annoy me when describe the President as the United States as the 'most powerful man on Earth', he can't do anything without congress agreeing.

If he did, it would be a dictatorship, not a presidency.

Just look at the recent case of gun control, clearly Obama wants to be bring in much tougher laws so why hasn't he if he's so powerful? The answer, he can't and doesn't have the powers to do anything but bring up the topic and hope to persuade the rest of Washington to voter for it.

It's call the Constitution.

 

[G-MAN2004]

Just noticed another victim has been named, saw her picture, then realised that one of the women lying on the floor with one leg in one of the graphic pictures I saw earlier is her. Wow, that's made me feel absolutely awful. RIP.

 

[estebanrey]

If he did, it would be a dictatorship, not a presidency.

And at which point the title "most powerful man on Earth" would probably be accurate. All I'm saying is he isn't as powerful as everyone makes out, not saying it's a bad system.

It's call the Constitution.

I said he wants to bring in tougher laws not ban guns altogether.

 

[Jono8]

Obama is nothing more than a PR man he has a lot less power than most people realize.

I wouldn't say evil to the core but he is certainly not a nice person, well he might pretend to be one, but in my opinion he is not a nice person. Obama reminds me of david blaine or darren brown. He reads what he is told and says what he needs to manipulate people.

Interesting, because to me, he comes across as a genuine,clever,articulate, and compassionate individual. He is someone who i would be genuinely very proud of, if he were to run the country i lived in.

As a person, i think he is the best president America has had for a very long time.

 

[Raymond Lin]

He can't put in a law by himself just because he wants to. There are procedures to follow. Same goes for the UK, this isn't North Korea.

 

[estebanrey]

He can't put in a law by himself just because he wants to. There are procedures to follow. Same goes for the UK, this isn't North Korea.

I know, that was kind of my whole point.

 

[Sliver]

It's call the Constitution.

There's more to it than the 2nd Amendment. Obama was trying to introduce tighter gun controls which is certainly not a violation of the Constitution.

His ideas were great but the republican dominated congress refused to accept them. He wanted to ban assault rifles like those used in Sandyhook. They said no. He wanted smaller clip sizes for magazines. They said no. He wanted tighter background checks on people buying guns. They reluctantly agreed to debate this. No decision as of yet as far as I know.

Also, the 2nd Amendment was drawn up during a period when people wanted protection from armed militia. Fast forward to today and it's essentially a redundant document as there are no armed milita but instead a federal government with nukes, drones, strike fighters etc etc. The peoples only need for guns today is to protect them from each other.

The 2nd Amendment should be scrapped in my opinion. Fat chance of that ever happening though as the American people have a masochistic attachment to it. I guess they are happy living with the statistic of over 30,000 gun deaths per year.

 

[spoffle]

Who exactly is his puppet master groen?

He can't put in a law by himself just because he wants to. There are procedures to follow. Same goes for the UK, this isn't North Korea.

I feel like you really knew the answer to this question in the first place.

 

[elmarko]

Interesting, because to me, he comes across as a genuine,clever,articulate, and compassionate individual. He is someone who i would be genuinely very proud of, if he were to run the country i lived in.

As a person, i think he is the best president America has had for a very long time.

A different point of view - Chomsky makes some very valid points.

 

[Elixir]

Stop paying attention to groen, he's not worth the time and will completely derail the thread.

 

[One More Solo]

Karen Rand survived, but was in surgery for her serious injuries through Monday night. Cheryl Rand Engelhardt, Karen Rand's sister-in-law, wrote on Facebook that Krystle's parents at first believed that Karen was their daughter, and that she had survived the attack, because Karen was carrying Krystle's ID. Krystle's family was finally ushered into Karen's hospital room after one of her leg surgeries by hospital staff, only to discover their daughter's friend instead of Krystle. Krystle was then declared missing, and the family found out on Tuesday she was among the dead.

From Yahoo News, that's awful.

 

[estebanrey]

From Yahoo News, that's awful.

Not for Karen's family who [presumably] thought she was dead only to find out she was alive.

 

[ci_newman]

Just noticed another victim has been named, saw her picture, then realised that one of the women lying on the floor with one leg in one of the graphic pictures I saw earlier is her. Wow, that's made me feel absolutely awful. RIP.

And that comment alone is enough to silence hurfdurfs ramblings about showing pictures of violence to the world. That poor women has died / was dead and pictures of her corpse have been paraded across the media & internet without regard for her privacy.

 

[One More Solo]

Not for Karen's family who [presumably] thought she was dead only to find out she was alive.

That goes without saying, but an emotionally horrible situation for both families.

 

[anything I don't mind]

I try not to look at the graphics images that have no investigative value. other types of images of course are evidence. evidence on the internet.

 

[RoboCod]

Ah, I knew the usual suspects would provide me with much reading entertainment this evening. Thanks groen and co

 

[bitslice]

There's more to it than the 2nd Amendment. Obama was trying to introduce tighter gun controls which is certainly not a violation of the Constitution.

Depends how you look at it, if I take your SA rifle and let you buy an excellent potato gun instead, how am I not infringing your 2nd Amd right?
Or as they call it now, giving you a reasonable concession.

His ideas were great but the republican dominated congress refused to accept them.

Correctly rejecting stupid, unenforceable, badly worded and ineffective nonsense - some of the morons making these laws don't even realise that you can reload a magazine
Basically - You can get re-elected by doing nothing, you just have to look tough while doing it.

Also, the 2nd Amendment was drawn up during a period when people wanted protection from armed militia.

Are you reading that correctly?

The peoples only need for guns today is to protect them from each other.

A use ratified by the Supreme Court back in 2008.

When any of these new laws apply to criminals, then we will have a topic for debate.

 

[estebanrey]

Cue the conspiracy theories, the mystery man on the roof...

Probably just cameramen or race staff though

 

[Andybtsn]

Oh gawd..Go to page 3 or 4

 

[bainbridge]

Cue the conspiracy theories, the mystery man on the roof...

Probably just cameramen or race staff though

Yeah unlikely the bomber would skyline himself like that. Just read the Reuters article about pressure cookers being suspected as the containers, but haven't heard of any real leads being followed.