Baroness Thatcher has died.

Pudney · 18 Apr 2013 at 23:07

Faustus said:
Absolutely right - good enough to fight in our many wars but not share in the good fortunes of the country. Who do these folk think they are eh?

Go hang your head in shame Robbie G.

Yeah, fighting in our wars. With a job. Except they complain they have no job. Wait. How does that work?

Oh wait, you're talking ****. :rolleyes:

Faustus · 18 Apr 2013 at 23:12

Pudney said:
Yeah, fighting in our wars. With a job. Except they complain they have no job. Wait. How does that work?

Oh wait, you're talking ****.

Your location gives the game away!

Pudney · 18 Apr 2013 at 23:22

Faustus said:
Your location gives the game away!

True. But please explain to a southerner like me, what has the demise of our manufacturing industries of the 70s and 80s got to do with people who choose to join our armed forces?

Agent_Smith357 · 18 Apr 2013 at 23:37

Robbie G said:
God I'm sick of listening to poor northerners moaning in ugly accents. Your industries were dead or dying for reasons other than Thatcher; she did what had to be done. You'd could always have re-skilled? Bloody commies thinking the world owes them a living.

I, too, like **** posting.

Agent_Smith357 · 18 Apr 2013 at 23:38

Everythings ****ed up and not even armed insurrection can save us now.

Von Smallhausen · 19 Apr 2013 at 00:36

Robbie G said:
God I'm sick of listening to poor northerners moaning in ugly accents. Your industries were dead or dying for reasons other than Thatcher; she did what had to be done. You'd could always have re-skilled? Bloody commies thinking the world owes them a living.

Re-skill everyone ? While pits had to close, entire communities were left to rot.

Pudney · 19 Apr 2013 at 00:40

Von Smallhausen said:
Re-skill everyone ? While pits had to close, entire communities were left to rot.

Yes. Everyone should have re-skilled and not clung to the past. They'd be no better off now if the pits had stayed open, China was destined to destroy western manufacturing through massive natural resources and labour pool. Western industries had to adapt and change or suffer longer term, it still needs to change today as we went to the wrong sector.

Hilly · 19 Apr 2013 at 01:35

Tefal said:
I never quite get the hilsbourgh thing, everything seems very conflicted about what actually happened.

the jist I get from is it lots of fans tried to get in to a game they didn't have tickets for, started getting crushed at the gates so the police opened them (rather stupidly thinking this would give them.more space once inside) and this then led to a surge which crushed lots of fans against the fences around the pitch (there because of fails invasions iirc).

no offenses but surely most of the blame lies with the people trying to get onto an event they shouldn't have been at?

There's no confliction - just hear say. Lord Justice Taylor provided an independent inquiry into this which clears things up.

Tickletless fans didn't contribute to this disaster.

The anger stems from a number of places; The S*n news paper, which published a headline called "the truth" where they alleged that Liverpool fans were weeing and beating up police officers and robbing the dead bodies. These are lies. The S*n has been boycotted in Liverpool ever since.

The official report which came out was doctored. Police and government officials lied and tried to cover things up. 164 witness statements had been altered and 116 statements which were against the South Yorkshire police, were removed entirely. It's only in September 2012 where these documents have come out and the full extent is known.

The original report states that fans were dead by 3:15, but Anne Williams' son (Anne passed away yesterday) was heard to shout out for his mum at 4pm, way after the original deadline set by the coroner.

The new findings report that 41 out of the 96 fans could have been saved had the police and ambulance service done their jobs better.

Liverpool fans still strive for justice. The truth is now known but justice still hasn't happened. Those who covered up should be made accountable.

How Thatcher fits into all of this, is that at the end she was the PM of the country. She was told that the South Yorkshire police were being "close to deceitful" and that the behaviour of senior officers was "depressingly familiar". Yet, with this information, she did nothing.

A link which shows the last report which shows that Liverpool fans had nothing to do with the cause of the disaster (as read out in Parliament by Cameron). http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hillsborough-cover-up-margaret-thatcher-1321049

Enough about Hillsborough any ways, thread has taken a tangent!

atpbx · 19 Apr 2013 at 07:20

Faustus said:
Absolutely right - good enough to fight in our many wars but not share in the good fortunes of the country. Who do these folk think they are eh?

Go hang your head in shame Robbie G.

To be fair the last two wars we've been involved in were the fault of MP's that the scots and northeners voted in.

You just tick the red box regardless of the consequences and have done for the past 25 years, the irony being in doing so you've inflicted more damage to the country and the economy than Maggie ever did.

So well done.

Faustus · 19 Apr 2013 at 07:45

atpbx said:
To be fair the last two wars we've been involved in were the fault of MP's that the scots and northeners voted in.

You just tick the red box regardless of the consequences and have done for the past 25 years, the irony being in doing so you've inflicted more damage to the country and the economy than Maggie ever did.

So well done.

Astonishing view of history. Who said brain washing doesn't work?

atpbx · 19 Apr 2013 at 07:53

Faustus said:
Astonishing view of history. Who said brain washing doesn't work?

Bless you, you can't expect to be taken seriously when you flat out refuse to even consider opinions that differ from your own.

peter_hutson · 19 Apr 2013 at 08:39

Bum on comfy seat, pop corn at the ready. I'm looking forward to this.......

kitch9 · 19 Apr 2013 at 08:51

Robbie G said:
God I'm sick of listening to poor northerners moaning in ugly accents. Your industries were dead or dying for reasons other than Thatcher; she did what had to be done. You'd could always have re-skilled? Bloody commies thinking the world owes them a living.

To be fair, we do have a right to moan, I just think the majority of us are moaning about the wrong person.

If Scargill hadn't have gone militant by not calling a ballot and sending flying pickets with pick axe handles and bricks to other pits and instead been willing to compromise a little bit with the backing of a majority vote then he may have had the backing of the majority of the public and things may have been different. There would have been a few job losses, but we would have been running modernised, safe and efficient pits with have a chance of competing with the cheap foreign coal which was 2/3rds the price.

He was an idiot who thought he was more powerful than the government, especially one with a woman at the helm and he was going to win that fight AT ALL COSTS.

Tool he was.

psd99 · 19 Apr 2013 at 08:53

Did anyone see this?

Cosimo · 19 Apr 2013 at 08:56

psd99 said:
Did anyone see this?

psd99 · 19 Apr 2013 at 09:31

Cosimo said:
He's always good comedy value. Can't be many around who take anything he says seriously.

The hat he is wearing makes him look like a character from a Norman Wisdom film in the 70's lol

Faustus · 19 Apr 2013 at 23:15

kitch9 said:
To be fair, we do have a right to moan, I just think the majority of us are moaning about the wrong person.

If Scargill hadn't have gone militant by not calling a ballot and sending flying pickets with pick axe handles and bricks to other pits and instead been willing to compromise a little bit with the backing of a majority vote then he may have had the backing of the majority of the public and things may have been different. There would have been a few job losses, but we would have been running modernised, safe and efficient pits with have a chance of competing with the cheap foreign coal which was 2/3rds the price.

He was an idiot who thought he was more powerful than the government, especially one with a woman at the helm and he was going to win that fight AT ALL COSTS.

Tool he was.

You are aware that the conservatives had drawn up plans to dismantle the coal industry as far back as the Gormley strike aren't you? Even if Arthur had sat in a rocking chair stroking the NUM cat and done nothing the pits would still have been closed. This information has been known for a good number of years now and has been extensively written about yet it seems to have completely passed you by.

Could we have your version of other historic events to use as a yardstick please?

Faustus · 19 Apr 2013 at 23:19

atpbx said:
Bless you, you can't expect to be taken seriously when you flat out refuse to even consider opinions that differ from your own.

Cogent reasoned arguments I can deal with, rantings from bigoted lunatics I find a struggle.

MagicBoy · 19 Apr 2013 at 23:41

Faustus - a legend in his own mind.

Biohazard · 19 Apr 2013 at 23:51

atpbx said:
To be fair the last two wars we've been involved in were the fault of MP's that the scots and northeners voted in.

Scotland does not tip the scales in any respect, if anything our votes are essentially worthless at Westminster. The past Governments would have occurred in that sequence including the Scots - or not.

The last two wars were as much to do with British reliance on America as it did Tony Blair.