F12 M6 & M135i Drive

PMKeates said:
Is the Boxster S restricted to 3000 RPM in this race?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNB9MTsDSDM&#t=45s

As far as I can tell, it will be spending pretty much 'no time' at low RPM ;)

EDIT: Oh, you mean old gen. Sorry, missed that 'criteria'!
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What 'criteria'!?!? The torque figures I posted are for the new car.
My response was to the previous poster saying the Boxster S was easier to drive fast. Sure, so long as you keep in the high rev band.
 
There is little in it speed wise, as I said the M6 was not noticeably quicker at road speeds but that would hand all of them their arse on a runway, but that has nothing to do with why I would take the Boxster over the M135i. Both are brilliant but different and a Boxster S is another 20K at least more than the M135i too so hardly like for like. For what it is the M135i is superb, it's not Boxster superb for me but it's still great value and a quick hot hatch and personally I don't think they look that bad either. Those who have them or have them coming will love them, but don't kid yourself Boxster S owners will be concerned if you gain a nose away from the lights, they'll be too busy crying because they have a poor mans 911.
 
SDK^ said:
What 'criteria'!?!? The torque figures I posted are for the new car.
My response was to the previous poster saying the Boxster S was easier to drive fast. Sure, so long as you keep in the high rev band.
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Let's do some stats:

987 Boxster S PDK - 1455 Kg, 305 HP = 210 HP/ton
BMW M135i 3dr Auto - 1515 Kg, 320 HP = 211 HP/ton

The M has the advantage of an extra gear and punchier torque for the brief period it's useful, but there's no 'eating dust'.
 
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The Boxster is simply a far more desirable machine than the M135i for me, totally different cars but if the Boxster was slightly slower for me it would not be a concern - its got more prestige, is a proper sports car, and just more special.
 
PMKeates said:
The M has the advantage of an extra gear and punchier torque for the brief period it's useful, but there's not 'eating dust'.
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Sorry for the confusion - seems you have a hard job reading my post^^.

The previous gen Boxster S is eating dust in a straight line.
 
SDK^ said:
Sorry for the confusion - seems you have a hard job reading my post^^.

The previous gen Boxster S is eating dust in a straight line.
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You might want to calm the 'hard job reading my post' down when it's quite obvious to everyone here that you are talking nonsense. The previous gen Boxster S with PDK has similar power-to-weight, similar gearbox, same performance-orientation and, based on the various videos online, similar actual acceleration results. Where is the 'eating dust' you speak of? The only real difference is that the Boxster S will need to be kept closer to the boil.
 
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PMKeates said:
You might want to calm the 'hard job reading my post' down when it's quite obvious to everyone here that you are talking nonsense. The previous gen Boxster S with PDK has similar power-to-weight, similar gearbox, same performance-orientation and, based on the various videos online, similar actual acceleration results. Where is the 'eating dust' you speak of?
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The 3.2 Boxster S (as in previous gen)
 
I'm not convinced- the M135 is not comparable to the Boxster S on "performance".
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Statements like that are incorrect I'm afraid. Have you actually driven an M135i? I don't think you realise just how fast they are. It's not a slightly quicker 335i or 135i, it's a completely different league. Several members on various forums have had their stock models on the dyno at 340bhp but even at on paper figures there is nothing between it and the Boxster S up to about 155mph.

Is the Boxster S a more desirable car? Yes of course it is... It is a proper driver's car, it has prestige, looks, presence etc. I would rather have one, I think they look stunning. What it isn't however is faster than an M135i. If it is faster it's going to be RS3 faster which in real world translates to zero difference in normal driving conditions.
 
PMKeates said:
Let's do some stats:

987 Boxster S PDK - 1455 Kg, 305 HP = 210 HP/ton
BMW M135i 3dr Auto - 1515 Kg, 320 HP = 211 HP/ton

The M has the advantage of an extra gear and punchier torque for the brief period it's useful, but there's no 'eating dust'.
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Now let's try that with correct figures. :p

Boxster - 1350kg, 310bhp = 230bhp/ton
M135i - 1425kg, 315bhp = 221bhp/ton


Anyway the 1 series has a stupidly small tank, 52L - so you'll spend most of your time filling it up anyway.
The Boxster's is 64L.
 
The M135i will be a little bit quicker than a 987 3.2 Boxster S. The fact I can chase an R8 V8 in my 535d without being 'left for dust', and the fact that I can't leave a Golf R32 'for dust' despite it being 100 HP shy, tells me that the M won't be leaving the 3.2 'for dust'!
 
miniyazz said:
Now let's try that with correct figures. :p

Boxster - 1350kg, 310bhp = 230bhp/ton
M135i - 1425kg, 315bhp = 221bhp/ton


Anyway the 1 series has a stupidly small tank, 52L - so you'll spend most of your time filling it up anyway.
The Boxster's is 64L.
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Where did you get those incorrect figures from?
 
People on the various BMW forums who have gone from the 335i to the M135i have said time and time again that it is noticeably faster, not slightly quicker.

I haven't driven the new Boxster S or a 335i and discussing/comparing cars like this using 'on paper' figures is pointless therefore I'm not going to continue this discussion. I'm only stating what I have read in the various BMW forums.
 
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[TW]Fox;24157166 said:
Yea, and I'd imagine there is no purchase justification syndrome there at all.
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Well, the M135i is about 100kg lighter and a bit up on power than the 335i Coupe. Seems sensible therefore to say it'll be quicker.
 
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