how long after haswell...

almoststew1990 · 21 Apr 2013 at 21:27

How long does it take after a socket's initial launch for a wide range of motherboards and cpu coolers to be launched? I've got the upgrade itch and will be upgrading my cpu and motherboard when haswell is launched, but wondering how long it will take for a decent choice to be available...

illuz · 21 Apr 2013 at 21:36

Instantly pretty much. I think the coolers will already be compatible if you have a 115x mounting kit and motherboards will be available at launch. MSI, Gigabyte etc have already been teasing us with the Z87 pictures.

Leprechaun312 · 21 Apr 2013 at 22:08

any idea on prices for a z87 motherboard and say an i5 4570k

ArchAndroid · 22 Apr 2013 at 01:01

The prices should be comparable to Z77, if not a bit lower because more and more of the component are being integrated into the CPU.

deFiniLoGy · 22 Apr 2013 at 01:11

ArchAndroid said:
The prices should be comparable to Z77, if not a bit lower because more and more of the component are being integrated into the CPU.

Maybe some day the CPU wont be called "CPU" anymore...

ArchAndroid · 22 Apr 2013 at 01:23

deFiniLoGy said:
Maybe some day the CPU wont be called "CPU" anymore...

I do get the feeling that Intel is trying to ease out the mobo manufacturers. Unfortunately, I can imagine a day in a few years where we only have a few choices of CPU and they are all soldered onto the motherboard. It would look something like this:

i7-x770k + Intel ATX Mobo (£400)

i5-x570k + Intel mATX Mobo (£300)

i3-x370 + Intel mITX Mobo (£200)

Intel would get the processor profits and the mobo profits.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

Doomedspeed · 22 Apr 2013 at 07:08

deFiniLoGy said:
Maybe some day the CPU wont be called "CPU" anymore...

Welcome to the future. Llano and Trinity are APU's

ArchAndroid said:
I do get the feeling that Intel is trying to ease out the mobo manufacturers. Unfortunately, I can imagine a day in a few years where we only have a few choices of CPU and they are all soldered onto the motherboard. It would look something like this:

i7-x770k + Intel ATX Mobo (£400)

i5-x570k + Intel mATX Mobo (£300)

i3-x370 + Intel mITX Mobo (£200)

Intel would get the processor profits and the mobo profits.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

I hope your wrong too, though appearently that may be the case for future generations as the die size gets smaller. So it may be seen on the 'sky' series.

Leprechaun312 · 22 Apr 2013 at 08:19

ArchAndroid said:
I do get the feeling that Intel is trying to ease out the mobo manufacturers. Unfortunately, I can imagine a day in a few years where we only have a few choices of CPU and they are all soldered onto the motherboard. It would look something like this:

i7-x770k + Intel ATX Mobo (£400)

i5-x570k + Intel mATX Mobo (£300)

i3-x370 + Intel mITX Mobo (£200)

Intel would get the processor profits and the mobo profits.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

damn might just wait til christmas or maybe a few months time until the price drops a bit

Joshct · 22 Apr 2013 at 08:29

Leprechaun312 said:
damn might just wait til christmas or maybe a few months time until the price drops a bit

His post was a hypothetical situation of a few years time where motherboards and cpus were a single intel bundle without customization.

Not z87 prices.

Martini1991 · 22 Apr 2013 at 08:31

Leprechaun312 said:
damn might just wait til christmas or maybe a few months time until the price drops a bit

I never understand this.
Most of the time when the product is released at reasonable prices, the price doesn't drop, it just fluctuates, the whole Sandy/Ivy series is pretty much testament to that.
Same with Piledriver, they're stable prices pretty much, going higher and lower than launch.

Doomedspeed · 22 Apr 2013 at 09:28

Martini1991 said:
I never understand this.
Most of the time when the product is released at reasonable prices, the price doesn't drop, it just fluctuates, the whole Sandy/Ivy series is pretty much testament to that.
Same with Piledriver, they're stable prices pretty much, going higher and lower than launch.

Its true. The best time to get them is either on pre-order or 2-4 weeks after launch..

The prices only come down when they hit the secondhand market.

Leprechaun312 · 22 Apr 2013 at 10:16

Martini1991 said:
I never understand this.
Most of the time when the product is released at reasonable prices, the price doesn't drop, it just fluctuates, the whole Sandy/Ivy series is pretty much testament to that.
Same with Piledriver, they're stable prices pretty much, going higher and lower than launch.

it's not to do with looking for a cheaper price it's to do with having money.

Gibbo3771 · 22 Apr 2013 at 10:20

If anything the prices of current chips will go up, since the supply will be lower due to newer chips being made but the demand will be pretty much the same.

The only price drop you will see is when everyone gets rid of there ivy/sandy chips for the new Haswell chips, all the second hand chips you can imagine

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Leprechaun312 · 22 Apr 2013 at 10:25

getting the new haswell chip would be nice but what im thinking is will there be any performance gain/change switching from a 3770k to a 4770k? tbh would i npt be better putting the money somewhere else and overclocking rather than blowing 400 quid for a "slightly" better cpu and motherboard

illuz · 22 Apr 2013 at 10:47

Leprechaun312 said:
getting the new haswell chip would be nice but what im thinking is will there be any performance gain/change switching from a 3770k to a 4770k? tbh would i npt be better putting the money somewhere else and overclocking rather than blowing 400 quid for a "slightly" better cpu and motherboard

10% max. Why bother. Clock that 3770k if you want better performance.

The 4770k will come in at around £340 I think.

Leprechaun312 · 22 Apr 2013 at 10:49

illuz said:
10% max. Why bother. Clock that 3770k if you want better performance.

The 4770k will come in at around £340 I think.

yeah tbh for that crossfire or water cooling or money to put away and save

harshuk · 22 Apr 2013 at 10:50

illuz said:
10% max. Why bother. Clock that 3770k if you want better performance.

The 4770k will come in at around £340 I think.

I agree spend my money elsewhere.

Martini1991 · 22 Apr 2013 at 11:37

Leprechaun312 said:
it's not to do with looking for a cheaper price it's to do with having money.

That wasn't what you said though.

Martini1991 · 22 Apr 2013 at 11:38

illuz said:
10% max. Why bother. Clock that 3770k if you want better performance.

The 4770k will come in at around £340 I think.

I'd fist myself if it comes in at 340.
I think it's pegged stupidly high at ~300 as is.
I want a 4770k, but I'm not paying over the odds.

DaleTheWhale · 22 Apr 2013 at 11:58

I'm upgrading July/August, so i'm still undecided on which socket to head for. I think a 4570k will be what I want but I hope the price is justifiable otherwise I may grab a 3770k for the sake of the price.