*** The official HD 7990 review and discussion thread ***

[humbug]

That's got to be a typo.

It was, i corrected it, thanks

 

[dave_beast]

There's only 1 card to blame for the ridiculous price of the official 7990, some say, if you whisper it's name 3 times ............

 

[Yaayuh!]

There's only 1 card to blame for the ridiculous price of the official 7990, some say, if you whisper it's name 3 times ............

ATi 1900XT
?

 

[wazza300]

candyman
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candyman

 

[straxusii]

I don't see the point of getting a 7990 even at same price as 2x7970, the 7990 should seat between 2x7950 and 2x7970... something around £600.

2x 7970 uses 2 boards, more components, you need to take care of 2 boxes, 2x acessories, 2x handling and freight.... so all this should compensate the premium price of having 2 gpus in one card.

not to talk about the fact that when it come the time to sell your cards, you will get more money out of 2x7970 than 1x7990

I largely agree, there are a couple of more things for the 7990 costwise though: mainly increased R&D costs to design the dual chip solution and perhaps higher bined cores might be worth more.

 

[Kaapstad]

Your first link: with All games included (for the Nvidia fanboys)
At 2560 x 1600 the 7990 is faster than Titan and 4% behind the GTX 690.

The second link: with all the games taken out where xfire does not work. (for the AMD fanboys)
Its again Faster than Titan and 6% faster than the GTX 690.

There is not much difference, SLI and xFire don't work in all games, i don't see what you or they are driving at, frankly.

SLI is working in nearly all those games

xfire is not working in these games

Assassin's Creed 3, Batman Arkham City, F1 2012, StarCraft II, Skyrim, and World of Warcraft.

The fact that the GTX 690 is faster @1600p with all the games included proves this.

There is no way two GK104 chips should be able to beat two HD 7970 chips @1600p or above, but AMD have allowed it to happen with poor driver support.

This should have been fixed before launch.

 

[Diagro]

There's only 1 card to blame for the ridiculous price of the official 7990, some say, if you whisper it's name 3 times ............

Titan

 

[humbug]

SLI is working in nearly all those games

xfire is not working in these games

Assassin's Creed 3, Batman Arkham City, F1 2012, StarCraft II, Skyrim, and World of Warcraft.

The fact that the GTX 690 is faster @1600p with all the games included proves this.

There is no way two GK104 chips should be able to beat two HD 7970 chips @1600p or above, but AMD have allowed it to happen with poor driver support.

This should have been fixed before launch.

use a few more in where SLI does not work and its back with AMD again, use more with xFire fail and its back again....... so on.

What shows up as better in SLI / xFire is entirely dependent on what games Reviewers use.

 

[andybird123]

use a few more in where SLI does not work and its back with AMD again, use more with xFire fail and its back again....... so on.

What shows up as better in SLI / xFire is entirely dependent on what games Reviewers use.

please list the ones where SLI doesn't work, I'll quite gladly run the benchmarks for them so that we can add them to the mix

 

[humbug]

please list the ones where SLI doesn't work, I'll quite gladly run the benchmarks for them so that we can add them to the mix

Silly requst.

I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of what must be hundreds of games

 

[Gregster]

Silly requst.

I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of what must be hundreds of games

To be fair, it isn't a silly request. I have no idea what games SLI doesn't work in and would happily bench the games you are saying that it doesn't work in.

 

[humbug]

To be fair, it isn't a silly request. I have no idea what games SLI doesn't work in and would happily bench the games you are saying that it doesn't work in.

Then i will research and get back to you in about 3 years.

 

[Diagro]

To be fair, it isn't a silly request. I have no idea what games SLI doesn't work in and would happily bench the games you are saying that it doesn't work in.

It is a silly request.

 

[Gregster]

use a few more in where SLI does not work and its back with AMD again, use more with xFire fail and its back again....... so on.

What shows up as better in SLI / xFire is entirely dependent on what games Reviewers use.

Going from this statement, I assumed there was games out that are not working in SLI.

Then i will research and get back to you in about 3 years.

Not sure what you mean but I was assuming you could name a few games that SLI doesn't work in and I was happy to bench said games to see if you was right or wrong.

It is a silly request.

Name the games that SLI isn't working in isn't a silly request.

 

[humbug]

Going from this statement, I assumed there was games out that are not working in SLI.

Are you saying there are not?

 

[imginy]

I was thinking this would be coming in at around £600

Any ideas when amd will be releasing any other new cards?

 

[Darrensen]

I was thinking this would be coming in at around £600

Any ideas when amd will be releasing any other new cards?

If you mean the 8x series, AMD recently said they wouldn't be bringing the 8x series out in 2013.

 

[humbug]

I was thinking this would be coming in at around £600

Any ideas when amd will be releasing any other new cards?

Is there anything more? i think that completes the HD 7000 line.

So it might not be until the HD 8000, with Nvidia releasing the GTX 700 from next month there is a possibly that we might see those soon or not to long after.

 

[andybird123]

Are you saying there are not?

humbug, you are dismissing benches as being "pro-Nvidia" bench suites, because it includes games that crossfire doesn't work with

these are very popular AAA games that are widely and commonly used in benchmark suites

Kaap pointed out that ideally, AMD should have fixed these issue prior to releasing their latest card that relies heavily on crossfire, if they wanted it to be shown in a good light when released to reviewers

you then claimed that these reviewers were all biased for using games that crossfire wouldn't work with, and that they should have used games that SLI has issues with as well / instead

we can easily point to some very common and popular games that have issues with crossfire, to acquiesce to your request of creating a pro-AMD bench suite, we need a list of SLI-faulty games to bench

the only one I can think of is FarCry 3, but this has equal and corresponding issues on crossfire so it wouldn't help with your request

if you know of games that have SLI issues then list them, which surely you must do to start throwing accusation of bias?

people are already dubious of SLI / Crossfire setups, and knowingly releasing a card that has big issues with the most commonly used benchmark games does not reflect well in marketing terms

no one is saying that a 7990 shouldn't be faster than a Titan, or a 690, it definitely should be... with a little more care and attention it could have romped all over the reviews as a golden card, instead of which it comes of as "faster, when it works" which is not the good PR that they would have been aiming for

 

[humbug]

humbug, you are dismissing benches as being "pro-Nvidia" bench suites, because it includes games that crossfire doesn't work with

these are very popular AAA games that are widely and commonly used in benchmark suites

Kaap pointed out that ideally, AMD should have fixed these issue prior to releasing their latest card that relies heavily on crossfire, if they wanted it to be shown in a good light when released to reviewers

you then claimed that these reviewers were all biased for using games that crossfire wouldn't work with, and that they should have used games that SLI has issues with as well / instead

we can easily point to some very common and popular games that have issues with crossfire, to acquiesce to your request of creating a pro-AMD bench suite, we need a list of SLI-faulty games to bench

the only one I can think of is FarCry 3, but this has equal and corresponding issues on crossfire so it wouldn't help with your request

if you know of games that have SLI issues then list them, which surely you must do to start throwing accusation of bias?

people are already dubious of SLI / Crossfire setups, and knowingly releasing a card that has big issues with the most commonly used benchmark games does not reflect well in marketing terms

humbug, you are dismissing benches as being "pro-Nvidia" bench suites, because it includes games that crossfire doesn't work with

No, I did not say that nor did i imply it, if thats what you assumed then we are in serius trouble on this forum, is that what you assumed?

Kaap pointed out that ideally, AMD should have fixed these issue prior to releasing their latest card that relies heavily on crossfire, if they wanted it to be shown in a good light when released to reviewers

IMO a well balanced review shows the good the bad and the ugly.

AMD don't know what games reviewers will use, if they did then they only have themselves to blame, yes.
I have no issue with some games not working in xFire or SLI, it comes with the territory.
I'm not sure i would be entirely happy if the reason AMD would fix xFire in certain games they knew would be used just to make themselves look good, its quite false.

you then claimed that these reviewers were all biased for using games that crossfire wouldn't work with, and that they should have used games that SLI has issues with as well / instead

aha... i see, show me where.

we can easily point to some very common and popular games that have issues with crossfire, to acquiesce to your request of creating a pro-AMD bench suite, we need a list of SLI-faulty games to bench

I don't have an SLI rig. you apparently do, so why don't you show me.