BMW E46 330i SE

[mrk]

^Grip is excellent on the Sessantas (245 rears) I find, only when provoked DSC lights up, launching from 3000rpm lights up DSC if the tyres aren’t warm but only for a split second and wet grip feels no different to dry grip.

Yes, they’re old tyres technologically now and I’ll explore new tyres next time round but 3rd set currently and never felt unbalanced in any weather condition so far.

They do wear fast though if you don't drive like an old man.

 

[Clarkey]

and wet grip feels no different to dry grip.
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Well it is, a lot. That statement tells me you aren't driving anywhere close to the limits. That's fine, but it's no way to endorse a tyre.

 

[mrk]

You're right, why would anyone drive to the limits of any tyre in everyday situations on the road? That's just driving like a tool.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Well it is, a lot. That statement tells me you aren't driving anywhere close to the limits. That's fine, but it's no way to endorse a tyre.

Yep, in addition these tyres suffer in the damp big time.

 

[acemastr]

I add that my car is automatic and they will only provoke the DSC once revs are up in 1st.

I find these tyres absolutely fine, if provoked they will light the DSC but I wouldn't say I have to change my driving style from wet to dry, can still do silly speeds around a roundabout and it just drives on round, actually puts a smile on my face when it's wet and I do this.

£130 each for 255/35/18, and from my experience of over 10k miles on them are they are pretty damn good. I only bought them from recommendations on here and price.

 

[HummuH1]

Yep, in addition these tyres suffer in the damp big time.

When I had M3's they were consistently faster round the track in the wet than PS2's, which were pretty much the best all round tyres I used on an M3. PS2's were faster when dry.

Maybe just me but I found them very good in damp/wet conditions but they did aquaplane when lots of standing water. Saying that, most tyres would in the same conditions.

 

[wingman]

Tyres are such an anomaly to me. It seems every single person has a different view of them, and I know this is true of most things but especially so with tyres.

Are there cases of accidents and cars found in ditches that can be traced back to the quality of the tyre and the blame be placed on them specifically? Or are tyres simply overlooked when an accident happens, and it's put down to the poor driver ability?

I am not trying to start an argument, but rather attempt to play devils advocate.

 

[[TW]Fox]

superb performance, wear and feedback.

They do wear fast though

I think this coupled with the idea that tyre performance wet and dry should be identical is a bit lol

 

[Clarkey]

Tyres are such an anomaly to me. It seems every single person has a different view of them, and I know this is true of most things but especially so with tyres.

Are there cases of accidents and cars found in ditches that can be traced back to the quality of the tyre and the blame be placed on them specifically? Or are tyres simply overlooked when an accident happens, and it's put down to the poor driver ability?

I am not trying to start an argument, but rather attempt to play devils advocate.

You can't blame an inanimate object. It is the drivers responsibility to manage the grip of their tyres.

 

[mrk]

I think this coupled with the idea that tyre performance wet and dry should be identical is a bit lol

In every day driving I find them no different. In the wet I'm hardly going to go driving to the limits. This much should have been obvious without having to point it out surely.

Anyway, everyone has their opinion, I've had these tyres twice over now over the course of 3 years. That's about ~50,000 miles so my opinion of them won't change and only on this forum have I read of them being "bad" in the wet while actual reviews confirm otherwise as well as my own experience.

 

[[TW]Fox]

In every day driving I find them no different. In the wet I'm hardly going to go driving to the limits. This much should have ben obvious without having to point it out surely.

It's nonsensical.

Why don't you drive to the limits in the wet? Because you are sensible and you know that in the wet, the limits are lower. Why?

Because herp derp, tyre performance in the wet is lower than it is in the dry

 

[mrk]

It's nonsensical.

Why don't you drive to the limits in the wet? Because you are sensible and you know that in the wet, the limits are lower. Why?

Because herp derp, tyre performance in the wet is lower than it is in the dry

I said I don’t drive to the limits in the wet in every day driving, I didn’t say I’ve never done it before. I know the limits of the Vreds on my car and rarely do I find the need to reach them and when I do I find them quite fine anyway. Okay, my previous tyres were Pilot Sport 2 but these handle better in all conditions on my car on the same roads than the PS2 did.

My point was this, in normal driving I find no difference in wet or dry. I don’t care about driving to the limits or whatever else in that circumstance. I only care about good grip and feedback on my journey and that is what I get so I don’t understand where all this you’re not testing the limits is coming from.

 

[Django x2]

I've used Sessanta's for, well, literally years, since 2007 if not before. I've found them to be very very good alternatives for much cheaper (or was back then) money. I recently decided to go with some CS3s as the new CS5s weren't available in my size. The CS3s are noticeably louder, sadly, and don't really seem to offer any better grip in the dry. They are slightly better in the wet so grip vs noise is the trade off now (and OMGAMAZINGLOOKS).....