If you have ever lived outside of the EU you should know that the UK is packed tighter then sardines in a can.
I have spent a year living in Japan, trust me you don't know what a packed sardine looks like.
Yes of course we are more populated than the USA or Australia, but that does not mean "we are full". In fact when you get out of the South East of England it becomes very sparse indeed.
Take this article for example
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096
"The urban landscape accounts for 10.6% of England, 1.9% of Scotland, 3.6% of Northern Ireland and 4.1% of Wales;" even less than "woodland [which] is now calculated to cover 12.7% of the UK."
So based on actual space we are clearly not "full".
Public services are another matter but I would argue that even these are not necessarily "full". If they were full, the NHS would largely be overburdened due to an ageing
native population, not due to a generally younger migrant population and certainly not due to the immigration of the last 10 years.
edit, sorry i click quote and thought this was reply to my post.my definition of full is based on the number of un-emplyed and young un-employed. The jobs just arent there, when the economy recovers then immigration numbers can increase, but britian economy is in very bad shape right now and just cannot handle mass migration of un-skilled labour.
The jobs are there though, especially for unskilled labour. In fact immigrants often do the work that native Britons refuse to do, such as farm labouring. I agree that the country does not need more unemployed people but if you actually look at the figures immigration does not worsen unemployment
Telegraph nor are migrants more likely to be on benefits
Guardian.
in response;
At the present there is no doubt that ukip have very under developed policies on many issues. They are campaigning on very specific issues and their survival will no doubt depend on there ability to develop those broader policies if the party continues to grow. But they are still very young party comparitvely so its not surprising they dont have mature manifesto.
Well they have existed since 1993 - quite long enough to come up with something credible in my opinion. I think it's also unforgivable not to have a properly formed policy on the economy, it's not like this is some sort of vague fringe issue!
As for him being a snake, what can I say i dont know personally any of the party leaders (or hell any politician full stop). But when I see him put across his views, the pragmatic common sense attitude resonates with many people, and i feel that he is nothing like the serial liars that dominate politics for many years.
You say you don't know any politicians so how can you say they are all liars all the time?
honestly what can i say about your second point, I really dont agree, I dont think the eu has contributed even slightly to peace in europe. Ironically look at what happening in greece when the troika come in. You go ask what average greek person thinks of europe..... from my view the eu is literally causing hatred between member states. When people in cyprus protest with merkel/nazi placards, you tell me this is good for peace in europe.
Yes the EU is going through a crisis at the minute, of course that is going to strain relations but I don't think knocking the entire 50 year project based on the last year or two is really representative or proves anything. Even with the strong resentment towards the EU there haven't been open hostilities or bombings of any sort. Must mean something, no?
on third point honestly just turn on the telly and see the state of the eu, you think that can compete with brics? , they put interest rate at 0.5, even the germans say they would rather raise interest rates, it is tearing itself apart. We supposed to have free trade with europe not political union.
Again, we are going through a massive crisis which has damaged the entire world. Yes Europe has been worse affected than other nations but that is largely the nature of the problem. Firstly being a main financial centre it was always going to be hit hard by a financial crisis. And secondly European nations did overstretch themselves with their debt levels. This does not mean Europe will never recover. Together we are the largest trading bloc in the world with a massive market for goods and services.
How can you legitimise economic union without political influence? If we were having trade policies thrown at us without having a say you'd be moaning we were underrepresented!
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