Badger, Badger, Badger

[Skeeter]

Not exactly my point. I was saying that badgers are being made into scapegoats for the Bovine TB problem in commercial cattle herds, and the price they have to pay is death. Farmers are complaining that they're out of pocket when Bovine TB strikes/spreads, so badgers die? I'm trying to understand why farmers wealth is more important than our wildlife?

Your problem is that you seem to think the requirement for cattle to exist lies solely with farmers.

Cattle exists because of societies desire to consume and use dairy and beef products. Someone is buying these cows, the farmers aren't magicing up money simply by having them around.

 

[Herman Gelmet]

Your problem is that you seem to think the requirement for cattle to exist lies solely with farmers.

The farmers are the owners of the commercial herds which are at threat. They also seem to be the loudest voices in the badger cull debate.

Cattle exists because of societies desire to consume and use dairy and beef products. Someone is buying these cows, the farmers aren't magicing up money simply by having them around.

I agree

 

[Skeeter]

I agree

So why is it the farmers fault for owning cows?

Surely you would expect any business owner to be vocal about anything that involves a threat to their business?

 

[theleg]

Get your facts right. The results from the Cull showed that Cattle in TB affected areas no longer ended up with TB when the badgers in that area were controlled/culled. Our vet told me this two/three weeks ago, I trust what he says over anything else.

The problem you have, is that once you clear a Badger Set, badgers from different areas then move into the empty set. If they're dirty badgers.. Your tb problems come back.

I don't support Badger baiting either, it was just an example of how things 'Used to be'

Which cull was this?

 

[Herman Gelmet]

So why is it the farmers fault for owning cows?

Surely you would expect any business owner to be vocal about anything that involves a threat to their business?

It appears to be a case of Wealth vs Wildlife. I am simply stating that this is how it seems to me, and I am firmly in support of wildlife in this debate. The wildlife is not exploiting anything for commercial gain, it is innocent. The farmers want to cull innocent badgers because that might be a way to avoid Bovine TB in their commercial herds (Wealth vs Wildlife).

 

[~Mike~]

Not this again, and all the clueless people who know nothing about farming but
still make stupid comments. Sigh.

 

[Skeeter]

It appears to be a case of Wealth vs Wildlife. I am simply stating that this is how it seems to me, and I am firmly in support of wildlife in this debate. The wildlife is not exploiting anything for commercial gain, it is innocent. The farmers want to cull innocent badgers because that might be a way to avoid Bovine TB in their commercial herds (Wealth vs Wildlife).

And where does that wealth come from? Do the cows poop it out? Does it fall out of the sky when they are around? Do they dig it up?

 

[Herman Gelmet]

And where does that wealth come from? Do the cows poop it out? Does it fall out of the sky when they are around? Do they dig it up?

The sale of their commodities. The more that survive Bovine TB the bigger the profit.

 

[theleg]

It appears to be a case of Wealth vs Wildlife. I am simply stating that this is how it seems to me, and I am firmly in support of wildlife in this debate. The wildlife is not exploiting anything for commercial gain, it is innocent. The farmers want to cull innocent badgers because that might be a way to avoid Bovine TB in their commercial herds (Wealth vs Wildlife).

Saying wealth makes it sound like greed, which is a touch unfair Its often a case of business survival and livelihood.

If it was proven that the cull would actually do what its intended to do, id support it. but as far as i can tell, theres no evidence that it will help at all and as such I cant support it.

and a decent amount of farmers already cull

 

[Skeeter]

The sale of their commodities.

Exactly. So why is it the farmers fault they herd cattle? Why isn't it the buyers fault for wanting the product? Or would that list include you, and you couldn't possibly take any responsibility?

Saying wealth makes it sound like greed, which is a touch unfair Its often a case of business survival and livelihood.

If it was proven that the cull would actually do what its intended to do, id support it. but as far as i can tell, theres no evidence that it will help at all and as such I cant support it.

and a decent amount of farmers already cull

See, "the evidence doesn't support the hypothesis that a cull will help the bovine TB problem" is a good, structured, evidence driven argument against the cull.

"Its the farmers own fault for being greedy and herding cows, they should just have chosen to grow flowers instead", is not.

 

[Herman Gelmet]

Saying wealth makes it sound like greed, which is a touch unfair Its often a case of business survival and livelihood.

If it was proven that the cull would actually do what its intended to do, id support it. but as far as i can tell, theres no evidence that it will help at all and as such I cant support it.

and a decent amount of farmers already cull

Wealth...
Economics.
a. all things that have a monetary or exchange value.
b. anything that has utility and is capable of being appropriated or exchanged.

I didn't mean an abundance of riches.

 

[theleg]

Wealth...
Economics.
a. all things that have a monetary or exchange value.
b. anything that has utility and is capable of being appropriated or exchanged.

I didn't mean an abundance of riches.

I understand that and its just a small thing, but the word wealth carries an implication imo.

 

[Skeeter]

I understand that and its just a small thing, but the word wealth carries an implication imo.

An implication that Jimmy Hillbilly is clearly trying to make, too.

 

[Herman Gelmet]

Exactly. So why is it the farmers fault they herd cattle? Why isn't it the buyers fault for wanting the product? Or would that list include you, and you couldn't possibly take any responsibility?

See, "the evidence doesn't support the hypothesis that a cull will help the bovine TB problem" is a good, structured, evidence driven argument against the cull.

"Its the farmers own fault for being greedy and herding cows, they should just have chosen to grow flowers instead", is not.

I don't see the relevance of analysis of supply/demand. Should we cull badgers is the debate? I say no, what do you say?

 

[Herman Gelmet]

I understand that and its just a small thing, but the word wealth carries an implication imo.

So does the slaughter of badgers imo

 

[Pawnless Endgame]

I'm not really for or against culling or hunting. The sooner this discussion disappears off the news the better. The fox hunting debate in 2003 went on for far too long. The same goes with the Jacko peado claims and the illegal Iraq war both in 2003. I was sick of hearing these 3 same stories every day for months.

 

[theleg]

So does the slaughter of badgers imo

That doesnt make any sense.

 

[Skeeter]

I don't see the relevance of analysis of supply/demand.

Clearly, as you seem to have completely ignored it from your understanding of how a business operates.

 

[FoxEye]

Clearly, as you seem to have completely ignored it from your understanding of how a business operates.

If we allow business and economics to be the final arbiter then we're all screwed.

Very few businesses allow any room for ethics. The food industry is not one of them

 

[fadetoblack]

Are we going to cull deer next? As deer spread TB