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Haswell Iris review

Martini1991 said:
Am I being retarded when I see the A10 5800K results then or something?
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It does change the fact the CPU section is still probably faster anyway.

The Core i7 parts have 3.4GHZ clockspeed over 3 to 4 cores anyway.

As a package it is impressive,but until we can see Core i3 CPUs,with the same IGP,then it would be a better measure of IGP performance.

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For example,how would the desktop Trinity CPUs compare with faster RAM for example. Anandtech does not state what speed RAM they use for example.
 
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I wasn't fussed too much on their CPU performance, rather IGP performance, given all you hear is how many light years Intel are behind etc.

No matter how you want to spin, Intel now have the best IGP?
 
Wonder what the MacBook Pros will go for this time. Probably nvidia again as those prices are a bit mad.
 
humbug said:
The A10-4800M is the fastest Trinity Mobile part, they used the A10-4600M.

Whats more the Intel part is 84 Watts, the Trinity Part is only 35 Watts.

Its a long way from a catch-up. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/10
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Egh :confused:
You've obviously missed the Desktop FM2 A10 5800k.

And the Haswell is 47W/55W, not 84W.

This is a laptop part.

Oh, you're confusing what I mean, I'm on about Iris, not Desktop haswell (GT2) but GT3 which I've mentioned to you a few times about changing the whole IGP thing, and well it has.
 
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Martini1991 said:
Egh :confused:
You've obviously missed the Desktop FM2 A10 5800k.

And the Haswell is 47W/55W, not 84W.

This is a laptop part.

Oh, you're confusing what I mean, I'm on about Iris, not Desktop haswell (GT2) but GT3 which I've mentioned to you a few times about changing the whole IGP thing, and well it has.
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Ah yes I see that now, its probably due to the eDram, I think Kaveri will get on chip GDDR5 to solve the same memory bottleneck.

Well done Intel but I think the jury is out until Kaveri comes out.
 
The next heavy hitter APU from AMD is Richland A10, and it's not a massive step forward, so until GCN APU's come out, Intel may have the lead.

At any rate, if I'd even been remotely optimistic about this situation, you'd slap me down. I always kept my optimism at being close to the 5800K for iris, not besting it as much as it does.
 
Martini1991 said:
I wasn't fussed too much on their CPU performance, rather IGP performance, given all you hear is how many light years Intel are behind etc.

No matter how you want to spin, Intel now have the best IGP?
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The main impact is the eDRAM here and AFAIK there will be HD5200 versions released without eDRAM. IGP performance looks about the same as a A10 5800K with 2133MHZ RAM or thereabouts.

The main thing here is the great TDP for the whole package which AMD cannot compete with.
 
Martini1991 said:
The next heavy hitter APU from AMD is Richland A10, and it's not a massive step forward, so until GCN APU's come out, Intel may have the lead.

At any rate, if I'd even been remotely optimistic about this situation, you'd slap me down. I always kept my optimism at being close to the 5800K for iris, not besting it as much as it does.
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Its typical AMD, they have been talking about doing something similar to what Intel have just done for years and never actually did it.

Absolutely no drive to get technology out, just constant complacency until suddenly they realise its now to late.

"We have this technology and this is how it works, 5 years later..... oh we were beaten to it, did we sit on it for to long? how did that happen????"

It almost wills you on to say "serves you right" idiots....
 
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47w/55w still seems pretty high compared to Trinity's 35w. Iris's performance looks good, but considering the price I feel OEMs will probably choose a cheaper alternative.

When is AMD's Kaveri rumoured to be out? I think I'm frying my Llano laptop with gaming and due to replace it soon...
 
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I wonder how GT3 will scale for the lower mobile CPU's like.
I want to replace my netbook i3 Ivy for an i3 Haswell with a beefed up IGP.

Or get an AMD one, whichever can supply me one first.
 
humbug said:
Its typical AMD, they have been talking about doing something similar to what Intel have just done for years and never actually did it.

Absolutely no drive to get technology out, just constant complacency until suddenly they realise its now to late.
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Probably a lack of money...! :p
 
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It also means unless they crater margins,these parts are not going to be that cheap. The GT3 4C parts I estimated(after look at the pictures),are at around 330MM2 to 350MM2 for the the total die area including cache and around 250MM2 for the GT3 2C parts with L4 cache.

GT2 SB and IB 2C parts are between 121MM2 to 149MM2 in size:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5875/dual-coregt2-ivy-bridge-die-measured-121mm2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/3

I suspect the 2C GT3 parts will be the ones found in expensive Ultrabooks and the MacBook Air.

There was noise about a GT3 part without L4 cache,which might find its way into cheaper laptops.

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The 2C GT3 parts are called ULT which means they will be for Ultrabooks.

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I expect Next generation Atom to take up the slack in the lower end of the market,meaning the Core based CPUs stay for the middle and higher end markets,and hence Intel can maintain margins.

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It seems to be around 350MM2 in size:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/4

Interestingly the test setup appears to be some sort of desktop.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It also means unless they crater margins,these parts are not going to be that cheap. The GT3 4C parts I estimated(after look at the pictures),are at around 330MM2 to 350MM2 for the the total die area including cache and around 250MM2 for the GT3 2C parts with L4 cache.

GT2 SB and IB 2C parts are between 121MM2 to 149MM2 in size:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5875/dual-coregt2-ivy-bridge-die-measured-121mm2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/3

I suspect the 2C GT3 parts will be the ones found in expensive Ultrabooks and the MacBook Air.

There was noise about a GT3 part without L4 cache,which might find its way into cheaper laptops.

Edit!!

The 2C GT3 parts are called ULT which means they will be for Ultrabooks.

Second Edit!!

I expect Next generation Atom to take up the slack in the lower end of the market,meaning the Core based CPUs stay for the middle and higher end markets,and hence Intel can maintain margins.

Third Edit!!

It seems to be around 350MM2 in size:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/4

Interestingly the test setup appears to be some sort of desktop.
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Its a Desktop box containing a Notbook mockup.

Wont be finding these in your average £400 Notebook then.

They will probably be priced like your lower level AlianWare Gamer Notebooks with a GTX 660M.
 
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humbug said:
Its a Desktop box containing a Notbook mockup.

Wont be finding these in your average £400 Notebook then.

They will probably be priced like your lower level AlianWare Gamer Notebooks with a GTX 660M.
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Well the mobile HD4600 is what is going to more the pain for AMD though. Hopefully,mobile Richland has enough to consistently be better.
 
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