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Haswell Iris review

I was worried when I ordered my laptop in March (especially as it arrived mid april, eugh) that I would regret it knowing that Haswell was going to be big on mobile chips, especially graphics. It's good to know that my £800 i7 3xxxqm 2.7GHz and 650m still hold up well.
 
Well the mobile HD4600 is what is going to more the pain for AMD though. Hopefully,mobile Richland has enough to consistently be better.

Richland needs to be dumped and Kaveri shipped out ASAP.

Richland is just a Trinity refresh offering up just a few % here and there, something like that is just a new stepping chip "Trinity revision 2" to late for that now....

I get the feeling Kaveri is ready and has been for a while, its just AMD getting complaisant with the advantage Trinity had over HD 4000 and thinking the best Intel will do is catchup.

Its the same with Bulldozer > Piledriver, they know how to make it good, but just keep drip feeding tiny improvements at a time over long periods.
Just stretching out a bad CPU for as long as possible thinking its good for the long term rather than doing it all now and then not having anything new for a while.

Its a backwards policy, if they are not going to challenge the competition when they can then no one will take them up on their hardware, not just enthusiasts, there also not going to win any supply contracts.

Better to stretch something good and then capitalise on that while coming up with something new.

Just sitting on technology, and drip feeding it only serves to allow your competition to beat you to the punch, which is exactly whats happened here.

AMD didn't see this coming, far to complaisant.

Now stop messing about.
 
I think Trinity for mobile might be a reasonable improvement in power consumption from what I am seeing,so hopefully they can increase the IGP clockspeed to compete better with the mobile HD4600. The replacement for the 19W TDP A8-4555M,the A8-5545M has a massive increase in IGP clockspeed,ie,from 320MHZ base clockspeed(424MHZ max Turbo) to 450MHZ base clockspeed(554MHZ max Turbo),and looking at the rest of the parts,the clockspeed increases "might be just enough to keep the status quo over the HD4600 ATM.

However,AFAIK AMD is still using GF for its big core CPUs and this is probably why they have not transitioned to 28NM yet,which is a shame.

This is why Jaguar is significant as it is being made at both GF and TSMC,so this might indicate AMD will be able to use different companies in the future and not need to depend only on GF.
 
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I think Trinity for mobile might be a reasonable improvement in power consumption from what I am seeing,so hopefully they can increase the IGP clockspeed to compete better with the mobile HD4600. The replacement for the 19W TDP A8-4555M,the A8-5545M has a massive increase in IGP clockspeed,ie,from 320MHZ base clockspeed(424MHZ max Turbo) to 450MHZ base clockspeed(554MHZ max Turbo),and looking at the rest of the parts,the clockspeed increases "might be just enough to keep the status quo over the HD4600 ATM.

However,AFAIK AMD is still using GF for its big core CPUs and this is probably why they have not transitioned to 28NM yet,which is a shame.

This is why Jaguar is significant as it is being made at both GF and TSMC,so this might indicate AMD will be able to use different companies in the future and not need to depend only on GF.

True, GF and their inability to get new processing nodes up and running well, and on time has been one root of AMD's problems for many years.

The problem is the same billionaire who owns AMD also owns GF, so there is a conflict of interest.

Its about high time AMD were let go to chose for themselves who manufactures all of their products, there are plenty of fab's in the world with better and more dependable processing nodes.
 
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Would this huge performance increase in iGPU result in faster setups using Virtu MVP?

If so, I can see some very interesting laptop systems emerging with the top of the range iGPUs and lower end discreet GPUs hand in hand. Would result in quite nice performance but with lower power consumption and lower cooling requirements hopefully.
 
I was looking on another forum and using the Anandtech estimates,the IGP section of the GT3 chips is 165MM2.

That is bigger than the GPU found in the HD7770 and the GT650.
 
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I was looking on another forum and using the Anandtech estimates,the IGP section of the GT3 chips is 165MM2.

That is bigger than the GPU found in the HD7770 and the GT650.

Seems Intel are going for shear size to try and push past AMD and still not managing it with the HD 4600, it just makes them really expensive.

Sorry, but I think AMD are rolling around laughing at Intel right now, and perhaps on this they deserve to.
 
Seems Intel are going for shear size to try and push past AMD and still not managing it with the HD 4600, it just makes them really expensive.

Sorry, but I think AMD are rolling around laughing at Intel right now, and perhaps on this they deserve to.

That big part is GT3, not GT2 (HD4600)
I don't think GT3 being big is an issue, its issue is where it's lacking, as there's obviously some flaws in the chip ; http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/15 see where it gets beaten in the second test?
Either way, anandtechs conclusion is far from pro Iris, it does have flaws, and they need to work on it, but they've come on leaps and bounds from HD4000, be it HD4600, or GT3.

I also doubt they'll be rolling around laughing, they've just lost their only leading performance area, as it stands AMD are now second with IGP's, regardless of the downfalls of GT3.
And Richland isn't going to change that. When a GCN APU comes around and spanks it, then they'll be laughing.

Either way, GT3's far too expensive to actually be viable to be honest :p

Intel clearly has some architectural (and perhaps driver) work to do with its Gen7 graphics. It needs more texture hardware per sub-slice to remain competitive with NVIDIA. It's also possible that greater pixel throughput would be useful as well but that's a bit more difficult to say at this point.
 
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Is it only the one gt3 variant that has been put though its paces? I don't think their are any reviews (at least ive not really searched) with iris hd5100 and hd5000 gt3 parts without that edram bandwith. I have the feeling that they are underwhelming.
 
Is it only the one gt3 variant that has been put though its paces? I don't think their are any reviews (at least ive not really searched) with iris hd5100 and hd5000 gt3 parts without that edram bandwith. I have the feeling that they are underwhelming.

Would that be the HD4600 on the 4770K? here... http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/20.html

Still a solid 25% short of Trinity.

Edit... Iris without eDram, yeah that would be interesting, Kaveri with its on-die RAM should also be interesting.
 
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Would that be the HD4600 on the 4770K? here... http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/20.html

Still a solid 25% short of Trinity.

Edit... Iris without eDram, yeah that would be interesting, Kaveri with its on-die RAM should also be interesting.
No, it's not the HD4600, that's firmly GT2.

GT3 even without eDram is going to be better than GT2, GT2 is besting the Trinity mobile part in IGP performance, it's not going to be *that* bad.

It's very annoying that Intel have the GT3 strictly in mobile (for now)
 
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No, it's not the HD4600, that's firmly GT2.

GT3 even without eDram is going to be better than GT2, GT2 is besting the Trinity mobile part in IGP performance, it's not going to be *that* bad.

It's very annoying that Intel have the GT3 strictly in mobile (for now)

GT2 is HD4600:

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6993/Screen Shot 2013-05-31 at 8.00.36 PM.png

The two GT3 variants without eDRAM are for Ultrabooks only,ie,the 2C parts with lower CPU performance and most likely lower IGP clockspeeds.
 
I also doubt they'll be rolling around laughing, they've just lost their only leading performance area, as it stands AMD are now second with IGP's, regardless of the downfalls of GT3.

The IGP area alone is 165MM2,which is bigger than the chip used in an HD7770 and HD7790,and it needs another 84MM2 of expensive L4 cache to make it viable. The L4 cache is made on a more expensive low power version of the 22NM process. The IGP and eDRAM have more transistors and greater die area than the entire Trinity chip alone. To put it in context the GT650M that Anandtech tested is 123MM2 including additonal logic like the memory controller and uses cheaper GDDR5 RAM and is faster in all metrics.The only thing which looks good compared to the GT650M is the power consumption(the test was at a maximum of 69W TDP though for the CPU),but it comes at the expense of using a metric ton of die area and billions of transistors. If it was not faster than what AMD has it would be an epic fail. Moreover technically AMD still has the lead over everyone else when it comes to IGPs,since the SOCs in the XBox One and PS4 are IGPs and use shared RAM!! :p

The PS4 actually uses stacked GDDR5 as AMD worked with a company called Amkor. There,was a lot of noise about Kaveri using a similar setup,but ultimately whether it happens is another thing,as cost might be an issue,and due to the weaker CPU performance of the AMD APUs relative to the Core i7 quad cores,they cannot get away with high pricing either.

This is why the GT3e is over $500. It is an expensive,low volume part using brute force. This is why Intel will not price it low.

The lower end SKUs lack eDRAM and so are going to hit the same issues AMD is hitting,as they won't have enough bandwidth,plus Intel is most likely to price them at a premium,looking at past pricing,sadly since they want decent margins.

Ultimately it does not compete with anything AMD has out there in price,so in reality it is the CPUs with HD4600 which are the thing they need to be worried about,which any AMD Richland and Kaveri laptops will be price comparable too.

If anything Intel's need to maintain decent margins due to their high capital investments and their extensive product segmentation in support of this,makes me think AMD is perfectly fine as long as they can compete well with Intel's mainstream low end and midrange offerings,which is bascially where they have been for years anyway with mobile CPUs.
 
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GT3 for mobile only is probably a consequence of yield. You can hide a high CPU price in a £800+ notebook, sorry, Ultrabook™, far more readily than a part you can buy separately
 
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