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When is the new Titan killer expected?

Nvidia could well release a full on gk110 part but the performance would be so close to Titan so it's probably not worth it. To make it a good bit faster they could up the clocks a little. I am sure someone posted a nvidia road map not so lon ago and the Titan was the fasted card on it.

Very true it wouldn't be much faster, but I suppose they will keep that in their pocket just to see what AMD come up with and more importantly when they come up with it. If it is late December early January like the 7970 release, I reckon Nvidia will just wait for Maxwell about march april time next year. if earlier they might go with a 785/titan ultra type card.
 
Sorry only quoted you to get your take as you usually state that nvidia drivers are more solid than amd's. I find it quite weird that this could happen twice with regard to cards dying through drivers.

I state that nVidia have a better track record for software support including drivers, user-interface (which is part of the drivers really), developer support and so on. Its been somewhat on the decline of late, I've heard rumours that some of the issues with kepler can only properly be sorted with hardware bugfixes in the 700 series and its too early to say what kind of impact the 320.18 drivers will have but they seem to be a bit of a mess with people attributing all sorts of issues to them.
 
I state that nVidia have a better track record for software support including drivers, user-interface (which is part of the drivers really), developer support and so on. Its been somewhat on the decline of late, I've heard rumours that some of the issues with kepler can only properly be sorted with hardware bugfixes in the 700 series and its too early to say what kind of impact the 320.18 drivers will have but they seem to be a bit of a mess with people attributing all sorts of issues to them.

It's bizarre because they don't have this great track record you speak of.

Developers don't like them because they're pushy with their proprietary stuff amongst other things.

To be honest, it's generally only nVidia fans that have much positive to say about nVidia as they are widely disliked within the industry.

Their driver record is not better at all, as I said earlier, this is the third time they've released a driver package that kills cards, and the second time it's happened along side new cards being released.

User interface is not part of the drivers, it's the control panel. Their control panel is certainly more polished but it isn't the same as the drivers.
 
I state that nVidia have a better track record for software support including drivers, user-interface (which is part of the drivers really), developer support and so on. Its been somewhat on the decline of late, I've heard rumours that some of the issues with kepler can only properly be sorted with hardware bugfixes in the 700 series and its too early to say what kind of impact the 320.18 drivers will have but they seem to be a bit of a mess with people attributing all sorts of issues to them.

Very fair opinion i would say.
 
both companies have been as bad as each other with there drivers i am currently using latest AMD beta drivers with no Fault on any game witha hd6950 and my dads system with a HD7970 i would defo say AMD is going to have the title of the TITAN KILLER
 
Lmfa matt.

I've never actually seen anyone much claim they've had absolutely no issue with one brand and nothing but issues with the other

I don't want ATI as there graphics drivers are too flaky, my 7950, 5870, 4870 1950 have all been a nightmare! Everytime I buy Nvidia it feels like God has approved their drivers and they simply just work.

;)
 
Developers don't like them because they're pushy with their proprietary stuff amongst other things.

To be honest, it's generally only nVidia fans that have much positive to say about nVidia as they are widely disliked within the industry.

How they are seen within the industry varies widely and hasn't been as positive of late as it has been in the past but for all their ups and downs they traditionally have a much better record of actually responding to requests for support and supporting products they put out there, its no coincidence that often beta drivers for mainstream and even lesser known games are released by nVidia in the weeks before a game release or on the day of release.

The days when as a game developer if you needed a fix/support for a driver feature you'd get stonewalled by AMD but have an nVidia rep within 24 hours and a development driver within a week aren't that far in the past and if you were lucky get an AMD driver to test sometime within the month after your games gone gold. (Based on real events). (EDIT: For the record this is something that AMD have massively improved on over the last 6+ months).

Their driver record is not better at all, as I said earlier, this is the third time they've released a driver package that kills cards, and the second time it's happened along side new cards being released.

Rubbish absolute rubbish, while these drivers do seem to be making a mess of things and will likely (depending on their response) put something of a stain on their track record you need to be more objective when weighing up the pros and cons, the last 2 drivers that killed cards affected a miniscule number of people and in one case only affected people who purposefully disabled the hardware limiter - in terms of the overall track record thats hardly on par with say making the vast majority of customers wait 2-3 months after a major game release before the drivers work with a game properly. (Which both companies are at times guilty of doing but AMD far more often).

For the last 7 years or so I've live with a bunch of people who I guess you could call IT professionals, CCNP qualified, etc. work in 2nd/3rd line support and so on, one does IT for the NHS another works for a big ISP, etc. I mention this as it reduces the potential for driver issues to be user error as by the nature of their jobs driver troubleshooting is something they are used to... over the years they've had various nVidia and AMD setups including more recently 5870s, 69xx CF, 7950s, etc. most of them are now on 660s and 660tis due to having many more issues over the years with AMD cards than when they've had nVidia setups, even tho neither is flawless... so I find it extremely hard to take some of the comments people make on here seriously based on real experience.

User interface is not part of the drivers, it's the control panel. Their control panel is certainly more polished but it isn't the same as the drivers.

As I said software support... when judging "drivers" you need to look at the whole support package.
 
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I don't want ATI as there graphics drivers are too flaky, my 7950, 5870, 4870 1950 have all been a nightmare! Everytime I buy Nvidia it feels like God has approved their drivers and they simply just work.

Unfortunately at the moment with NVidia drivers he must be in biblical plague mode.:D
 
Unfortunately at the moment with NVidia drivers he must be in biblical plague mode.:D

My GTX675m actually has been completely flawless heh, tho something stopped me installing 320.18 drivers on it and from the sounds of it was a lucky escape. But I wouldn't say that was par for the course with nVidia - I've seen some of the recent issues with kepler cards for myself - actually ended up lending one of my 470s so someone could play through tomb raider without it crashing every 5 minutes.
 
The 690 killed the Titan over 1 year ago. The 6GB of ram on the Titan is a con as the core clocks as well as the TDP are so low on the Titan that the 6GB will never be used while maintaining a constant 60fps or even higher so wether it has 6GB or 60GB its irrelevant and pointless. 3GB is the sweet spot for core-amount of memory ratio while providing good performance without a bottleneck.

Look out for a 790 consisting of either 2x770's or 2x780's. Keplar Technology and cooling allows for the possibility of 2x780's.
 
My GTX675m actually has been completely flawless heh, tho something stopped me installing 320.18 drivers on it and from the sounds of it was a lucky escape. But I wouldn't say that was par for the course with nVidia - I've seen some of the recent issues with kepler cards for myself - actually ended up lending one of my 470s so someone could play through tomb raider without it crashing every 5 minutes.

For gaming and normal use I don't have any problems with the 320.00 family of drivers. Unfortunately for benching and multi GPUs they are a bit unstable.
 
My GTX675m actually has been completely flawless heh, tho something stopped me installing 320.18 drivers on it and from the sounds of it was a lucky escape. But I wouldn't say that was par for the course with nVidia - I've seen some of the recent issues with kepler cards for myself - actually ended up lending one of my 470s so someone could play through tomb raider without it crashing every 5 minutes.

I think a lot of nvidia problems come from the new boost technology. It's not needed imo and more trouble than it's worth. The only thing it does is make the new cards look good in review's as most cards boost way over what it say's on the tin. Even amd's boost technology seem's to be more trouble than it's worse as the boost card's have more issue's comparing to the original card's.
 
The majority don't play with the CP, but the majority do use the drivers, so that's were it matters most.

Yea when gaming i usually use the game setting's rather than the ccc. For the main part i usually install drivers and forget the ccc exists. My main reason for going into the ccc is to swap between my monitor and tv.
 
The 690 killed the Titan over 1 year ago. The 6GB of ram on the Titan is a con as the core clocks as well as the TDP are so low on the Titan that the 6GB will never be used while maintaining a constant 60fps or even higher so wether it has 6GB or 60GB its irrelevant and pointless. 3GB is the sweet spot for core-amount of memory ratio while providing good performance without a bottleneck.

Thats more than a little bit of a flawed way to look at GPU VRAM useage, the fact that very few games have more than 2GB or so of data that needs to be loaded into VRAM at any one time and even on a high end multi monitor setup you'll struggle to top 3GB including screen buffers and RT/FBO buffers.

If a game came out that had say 5GB of high res textures then Titan would utilise its extra VRAM just fine.
 
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What is this coil whine and driver issues you speak of?

haven't had a driver crash since 12.4 came out, no coil whine to speak of, and a nice clocking 7970

Only issue I have is that it gets a bit loud when gaming for my tastes, but thats soon to be sorted with a waterblock.
 
The majority don't play with the CP, but the majority do use the drivers, so that's were it matters most.

You need to compare the whole support package when comparing the end user experience including timeframes for driver bug fixes and product support, how often legacy issues creep back in, extended features that are useful for gamers, etc.
 
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