When is the new Titan killer expected?

[humbug]

As titled I am going to be getting a new graphics card for Arma 3 in the winter and I was wondering when the next Titan killer is expected?

I don't want ATI as there graphics drivers are too flaky, my 7950, 5870, 4870 1950 have all been a nightmare! Everytime I buy Nvidia it feels like God has approved their drivers and they simply just work.

Every time I tried Nvidia the drivers killed my GPU, nothing but big problems with Nvidia..... AMD drivers have always been perfect.

*sends link to AMD focus group, can I have my free GPU now?*


Look around the Internet, (and the Nvidia forums) plenty of problems with Nvidia drivers, including some GPU's being fried by those Drivers, as far as I know, that's never happened with AMD.

When someone say they always have problems one and never with the other, to me its just blatant shilling, I have both, both have issues in equal amounts, that's a fact.

 

[Final8y]

coil whine is due to a somewhat poor hardware design choice by amd. it's not really a fault, so it's not grounds for rma afaik. and texture flickering could well be z fighting, which is evidently a bigger issue in newer games for some reason. nvidia cards get the same problems, though driver updates sometimes make things better (or worse...)

Coil whine is not due to a somewhat poor hardware design choice by AMD, its down to the parts used by the partners and its a lottery on both NV and AMD cards unless the Partners make an effort with what parts they use.
My 3 cheap MSI 7950's don't have any coil whine.

So stop telling Porkies

 

[PorkPieCat]

Coil whine is not due to a somewhat poor hardware design choice by AMD, its down to the parts used by the partners and its a lottery on both NV and AMD cards unless the Partners make an effort with what parts they use.
My 3 cheap MSI 7950's don't have any coil whine.

So stop telling Porkies

heyy i'm not! amd went with non-solid state chokes on the reference 79xx design which is why reference design boards whine. my msi 7950 tf3 with reference design 7970 pcb whines, as did my previous vtx3d 7970 and gigabyte 7970, all to differing degrees. actually my current card hardly whines at all - it's inaudible until i start reaching 4 figure fps numbers. the only cards that reliably don't coil whine use non-reference chokes. i don't know if the chokes actually have better properties overall than other types but certainly amd could have chosen quieter parts.

 

[Final8y]

heyy i'm not! amd went with non-solid state chokes on the reference 79xx design which is why reference design boards whine. my msi 7950 tf3 with reference design 7970 pcb whines, as did my previous vtx3d 7970 and gigabyte 7970, all to differing degrees. actually my current card hardly whines at all - it's inaudible until i start reaching 4 figure fps numbers. the only cards that reliably don't coil whine use non-reference chokes. i don't know if the chokes actually have better properties overall than other types but certainly amd could have chosen quieter parts.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-203-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1673
What are these ?

 

[humbug]

heyy i'm not! amd went with non-solid state chokes on the reference 79xx design which is why reference design boards whine. my msi 7950 tf3 with reference design 7970 pcb whines, as did my previous vtx3d 7970 and gigabyte 7970, all to differing degrees. actually my current card hardly whines at all - it's inaudible until i start reaching 4 figure fps numbers. the only cards that reliably don't coil whine use non-reference chokes. i don't know if the chokes actually have better properties overall than other types but certainly amd could have chosen quieter parts.

So your saying every AMD GPU you have had (at least 4 in a row) had coil whine, and you say its because AMD don't use solid state chokes.

I would be interested to know how you have come to that conclusion, is this something you had randomly read somewhere? or something you have figured out for yourself.

Can you point out on a reference PCB picture where you think those none solid state chokes are, or where you read that. Thanks.

 

[humbug]

So your saying every AMD GPU you have had (at least 4 in a row) had coil whine, and you say its because AMD don't use solid state chokes.

I would be interested to know how you have come to that conclusion, is this something you had randomly read somewhere? or something you have figured out for yourself.

Can you point out on a reference PCB picture where you think those none solid state chokes are, or where you read that. Thanks.

Tell you what, I will do it for you

This is an example of an AMD reference PCB, its a 7950

I have marked out in red where the chockes are, just in case you don't know.



Those are CPL solid state chokes, they are high quality components, no expense spared.

Here is an example of a bottom run Powercolor Vortex 7970 PCB, now discontinued, if I remember rightly at the request of AMD.



That is what none solid state chokes look like. it is, or was a none reference PCB.

You should listen to Final8y, because 'HE' actually knows what he's talking about

 

[PorkPieCat]

i had 3 and they were either reference or reference design, with the same chokes as found on the reference boards (i'm sort of ocd in this respect, and i looked under the coolers of each of my cards). to be fair they only coil whined above several hundred fps (and soe louder than others), and i made sure to try them in other machines too (where they coil whined as well). i know amd always tend to go with the best components available but what i said about solid state chokes was something people were saying on these as well as other forums... it's true i don't actually know these things so much as repeat what seems to be consensus. and regarding coil whine, it's people on these forums who led me to believe it's part of the design rather than a symptom of a faulty card. so... what gives? do solid state chokes actually coil whine?

 

[Phixsator]

I find it very strange that if the OP really dislike the red camp so much that he keeps buying it spite having perfect experience with the green team. i smell a troll or #%¤"%¤. Stating his opinion regarding driver issues as a fact rather than what it should be an opinion or an experience makes me think troll or #%¤"%¤. I simply cannot take this seriously.

 

[humbug]

i had 3 and they were either reference or reference design, with the same chokes as found on the reference boards (i'm sort of ocd in this respect, and i looked under the coolers of each of my cards). to be fair they only coil whined above several hundred fps (and soe louder than others), and i made sure to try them in other machines too (where they coil whined as well). i know amd always tend to go with the best components available but what i said about solid state chokes was something people were saying on these as well as other forums... it's true i don't actually know these things so much as repeat what seems to be consensus. and regarding coil whine, it's people on these forums who led me to believe it's part of the design rather than a symptom of a faulty card. so... what gives? do solid state chokes actually coil whine?

Any GPU, regardless of the quality of the components, be it AMD or Nvidia can and sometimes do coil whine (remember, green or red they all often use the same components) your PSU and your Motherboard can also whine.

I had a whiny XFX PSU, it was a SeaSonic PSU dropped in a different case and re-branded, SeaSonic are regarded as one of the best among the best, it was still whiny, I swapped it for another one of exactly the same type and its fine.

If I had what seemed like back to back GPU's whining one after the other I would be looking at other things.

 

[Jokester]

It's probably capacitors that are making the whine.

 

[PorkPieCat]

Any GPU, regardless of the quality of the components, be it AMD or Nvidia can and sometimes do coil whine (remember, green or red they all often use the same components) your PSU and your Motherboard can also whine.

I had a whiny XFX PSU, it was a SeaSonic PSU dropped in a different case and re-branded, SeaSonic are regarded as one of the best among the best, it was still whiny, I swapped it for another one of exactly the same type and its fine.

If I had what seemed like back to back GPU's whining one after the other I would be looking at other things.

mm. my psu is a year old (practically brand new when i tested the gigabyte and vtx cards) and not of crappy quality, though not the best. it's an antec hcg 750. mobo isn't the best either, z77a g43 from msi. but as i said i tried the cards in other systems. my friend's corsair ax750 or 850 (can't remember) and his high-end asus mobo are certainly better components and all three cards sounded the same in those systems too. maybe jokester's right about the capacitors? could be it?

 

[humbug]

It's probably capacitors that are making the whine.

Yeah, usually that can be cured with a few hours of continues Unique Heaven, tho not always.

mm. my psu is a year old (practically brand new when i tested the gigabyte and vtx cards) and not of crappy quality, though not the best. it's an antec hcg 750. mobo isn't the best either, z77a g43 from msi. but as i said i tried the cards in other systems. my friend's corsair ax750 or 850 (can't remember) and his high-end asus mobo are certainly better components and all three cards sounded the same in those systems too. maybe jokester's right about the capacitors? could be it?

I'm current running a Tahiti LE from Powercolor (AMD reference components) no coil whine.

Its very unusual to get a string of different GPU's all of them with coil whine. I have never heard of it to that extent, I have had 10 different GPU's of green and red colours in the last 5 or a bit more years, only one with coil whine, that was a Sapphire 6950.

You must be extremely unlucky if they are also doing it in systems you know don't have any coil whine by them self.

I can't help you, I don't think anyone can.

 

[PorkPieCat]

my system is silent using my backup gpu and the hd 4000 on the intel. not the most demanding hardware... but my friend's system is also flawless with his 5770 or 5870 (again forget which it was ). but like i said my current card is basically silent. it only gets audible inside the case above ridiculous levels of fps, so i don't particularly feel unlucky at all

 

[Final8y]

Yeah, usually that can be cured with a few hours of continues Unique Heaven, tho not always.



I'm current running a Tahiti LE from Powercolor (AMD reference components) no coil whine.

Its very unusual to get a string of different GPU's all of them with coil whine. I have never heard of it to that extent, I have had 10 different GPU's of green and red colours in the last 5 or a bit more years, only one with coil whine, that was a Sapphire 6950.

You must be extremely unlucky if they are also doing it in systems you know don't have any coil whine by them self.

I can't help you, I don't think anyone can.

At one time i sent in one of my 4 3870's for coil whine but in the end it was not the GPU but the motherboard when it had 4 GPUs in, changed the mobo and hey presto.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Don't exspect a "killer" product till AMD/Nvidia switch to a new smaller process , so "Maxwell" for Nvidia (new year) and Volcanic Islands (late this year if your lucky) for AMD.

The GK110 is a pretty Massive die (only beaten by the GT200 GTX280), there's only so much you can do within sensible size/heat/cost limits.

 

[cainer]

to be fair they only coil whined above several hundred fps

what game were you playing @ 'several hundred' fps? maybe try vsync

 

[PorkPieCat]

what game were you playing @ 'several hundred' fps? maybe try vsync

actually i think either the vtx or the gigabyte coil whined within 120fps, and i have a 120hz monitor. but i use fps limiters now anyway - either vsync or dfc on radeonpro, so yeah, not an issue. plenty of older games and almost all in-game menus go well into the thousands though fyi

 

[Jono8]

Basically waiting for 20nm in 2014 for true titan killers.

 

[coupe69]

actually i think either the vtx or the gigabyte coil whined within 120fps, and i have a 120hz monitor. but i use fps limiters now anyway - either vsync or dfc on radeonpro, so yeah, not an issue. plenty of older games and almost all in-game menus go well into the thousands though fyi

Is your shift key broken or something? Not one capital letter in all of your posts, if it wasn't for the full stops I'd really be struggling...

 

[Rroff]

When someone say they always have problems one and never with the other, to me its just blatant shilling, I have both, both have issues in equal amounts, that's a fact.

I've never actually seen anyone much claim they've had absolutely no issue with one brand and nothing but issues with the other - it seems to be what it gets translated to in some people heads when someone says "I've had a better experience with nVidia than AMD" tho.