When is the new Titan killer expected?

Kaapstad · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:37

V3teran said:
The 690 killed the Titan over 1 year ago. The 6GB of ram on the Titan is a con as the core clocks as well as the TDP are so low on the Titan that the 6GB will never be used while maintaining a constant 60fps or even higher so wether it has 6GB or 60GB its irrelevant and pointless. 3GB is the sweet spot for core-amount of memory ratio while providing good performance without a bottleneck.

When using Titans in 3 and 4 way SLI the 6gb of vram does come in useful @1600p playing Crysis 3 they use 3.5gbs @higher resolutions even more.

Look out for a 790 consisting of either 2x770's or 2x780's. Keplar Technology and cooling allows for the possibility of 2x780's.

They have already done it a year ago, complete with one of those Titan type coolers - the GTX 690 (two gk104 chips with better memory than the GTX 680). You will not be seeing 2x780s on the same card anytime soon either unless NVidia want to give it a TDP of nearly 500 watts lol.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:37

TheRealDeal said:
I think a lot of nvidia problems come from the new boost technology. It's not needed imo and more trouble than it's worth. The only thing it does is make the new cards look good in review's as most cards boost way over what it say's on the tin. Even amd's boost technology seem's to be more trouble than it's worse as the boost card's have more issue's comparing to the original card's.

I have had issues my GTX660 in Metro:Last Light,which were only solved with the latest drivers.I nearly regurgitated the coke I just drank,after reading the ode on the other page to how devinely perfect and stable the GTX660 drivers were. They were the first driver problems,I have had with ANY AMD or Nvidia card in the last three years. Another mate I knew had the stuttering issues,which were noted last year(had a GTX670).

Nvidia drivers,having no issues,my arse. Both companies have their own share of issues,dependent on how well the planets are aligned. Mate who has a 7870LE and a HD7770,and had Nvidia cards before them,has noted no issues so far,and he was really pro-Nvidia before too. He must have got devinely blessed cards.

PorkPieCat · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:43

Mr Krugga said:
Surely you mean Nvidia Tesla, not Quadro. Quadro are just rebadged GeForce cards.

Surely I do.

TheRealDeal · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:46

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I have had issues my GTX660 in Metro:Last Light,which were only solved with the latest drivers. They were the first driver problems,I have had with ANY AMD or Nvidia card in the last three years. Another mate I knew had the stuttering issues,which were noted last year(had a GTX670).

Nvidia drivers,having no issues,my arse.

Nvidia drivers atm seem to be the poorer of the two company's. Amd have took a step forward in the last 8-9 months and nvidia seem to have taken a step back as the 310 and 320 drivers seemed not to be of the usual quality. For the main part driver stability on both sides is not a huge problem and has not been for the 13 years that i have been pc gaming.

andybird123 · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:46

Kaapstad said:
When using Titans in 3 and 4 way SLI the 6gb of vram does come in useful @1600p playing Crysis 3 they use 3.5gbs @higher resolutions even more.

I've seen much higher than this at 7680x1440

TheRealDeal · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:48

andybird123 said:
I've seen much higher than this at 7680x1440

The problem is how much of that ram is being cached because of how much ram the titan has. We all know that 2gb cards can play pretty much everything at high res so i doubt 3gb cards will be struggling.

Final8y · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:52

Rroff said:
You need to compare the whole support package when comparing the end user experience including timeframes for driver bug fixes and product support, how often legacy issues creep back in, extended features that are useful for gamers, etc.

Which both have issues with.

Jono8 · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:54

Everyone seems to make such a massive issue over this vram business. Ive played almost every modern game at 1080p on mt GTX 480 with 1.5gb and never had any vram related issues (i.e. running out and games slowing to a crawl)

Rroff · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:55

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I have had with ANY AMD or Nvidia card in the last three years. Another mate I knew had the stuttering issues,which were noted last year(had a GTX670).

The way I look at it is more than just issues that make my GPU explode or BSOD or whatever... if your waiting 2 months after a game has been released before you can play it thats just as much a driver failing and factually that has happened more frequently with AMD than nVidia over the last 3 years... I mean AMD even put out a statement about 6-7 months ago saying they'd identified failings in this area especially in regards to their release schedule and were taking steps to fix it hence the drive to improve their software support over the last 6+ months.

Rroff · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:57

Final8y said:
Which both have issues with.

No ones disputing that.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 2 Jun 2013 at 23:59

You can go on and on,but it does not change the fact I had issues with a Nvidia sponsered title at launch that affectly my ability to run the game,and were only fixed with a new set of drivers which came out weeks later.

So,maybe you are in Cloud Cuckoo land,regarding Nvidia having perfect drivers,but I am not. You are still on Fermi based cards which have very mature drivers,so I don't think you can really start making excuses for Nvidia's failings too while bigging up any AMD ones. I think you are just extrapolating from the experience of that and assuming the same for the current ones.

Edit!!

I think thats enough effort expended by me in this thread. Maybe I didn't write an ode to the drivers of my GTX660,and it punished me for my insolence.

Final8y · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:00

Rroff said:
The way I look at it is more than just issues that make my GPU explode or BSOD or whatever... if your waiting 2 months after a game has been released before you can play it thats just as much a driver failing and factually that has happened more frequently with AMD than nVidia over the last 3 years... I mean AMD even put out a statement about 6-7 months ago saying they'd identified failings in this area especially in regards to their release schedule and were taking steps to fix it hence the drive to improve their software support over the last 6+ months.

Ok what games come out 2 months ago still cant be played ? BF3?

cjtouhey · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:01

I dont see the point in the Titan, its only unique feature i can see of buying it is to support the 4k monitor systems as the pixel count is the only unique selling point of this card and these monitors are not coming down in price any time soon the cheapest being £12000 . the GTX 690 has far superior specs and is cheaper / better for comercial gaming at this point in time. if you review both on the Nvidia website specifications you will see what i mean.... i honestly cant understand the marketing point with this release....

humbug · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:03

Rroff, your making a lot of blanket statements, also using endless conjecture to try and win your ideological consensus of Nvidia drivers being better.

Its just endless shilling rhetoric, give over, its getting incredibly tiresome.

Your to obvious, shamelessly obvious.

TheRealDeal · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:04

cjtouhey said:
I dont see the point in the Titan, its only unique feature i can see of buying it is to support the 4k monitor systems as the pixel count is the only unique selling point of this card and these monitors are not coming down in price any time soon the cheapest being £12000 . the GTX 690 has far superior specs and is cheaper / better for comercial gaming at this point in time. if you review both on the Nvidia website specifications you will see what i mean.... i honestly cant understand the marketing point with this release....

The Titan doe's not rely on sli technology. Multi gpu support is getting better but a lot of people still don't trust it. The Titan price wise is daft but it did not stop it outselling the gtx690 in it's first 3 month on the market.

cjtouhey · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:06

I dont see the point in the Titan, its only unique feature i can see of buying it is to support the 4k monitor systems as the pixel count is the only unique selling point of this card and these monitors are not coming down in price any time soon the cheapest being £12000 . the GTX 690 has far superior specs and is cheaper / better for comercial gaming at this point in time. if you review both on the Nvidia website specifications you will see what i mean.... i honestly cant understand the marketing point with this release....

spoffle · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:12

Rroff said:
The way I look at it is more than just issues that make my GPU explode or BSOD or whatever... if your waiting 2 months after a game has been released before you can play it thats just as much a driver failing and factually that has happened more frequently with AMD than nVidia over the last 3 years... I mean AMD even put out a statement about 6-7 months ago saying they'd identified failings in this area especially in regards to their release schedule and were taking steps to fix it hence the drive to improve their software support over the last 6+ months.

So you gloss over the GPU killing drivers because it didn't harm too many people?

Firstly disregarding that it should not happen once, never mind twice or three times.

Then you start moaning about petty things that you don't even know for yourself and constantly misspell "you're" whilst expecting to be taken seriously?

I don't know how you can take yourself seriously, Humbug's accusations of you being a shill seem quite apt because you're just a massive nVidia apologist.

spoffle · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:14

cjtouhey said:
I dont see the point in the Titan, its only unique feature i can see of buying it is to support the 4k monitor systems as the pixel count is the only unique selling point of this card and these monitors are not coming down in price any time soon the cheapest being £12000 . the GTX 690 has far superior specs and is cheaper / better for comercial gaming at this point in time. if you review both on the Nvidia website specifications you will see what i mean.... i honestly cant understand the marketing point with this release....

You're contradicting yourself here really. A Titan isn't only useful for "4K" either, what about people who want multi-GPU set ups and only buy nVidia?

I'd personally rather a Titan over a GTX690 myself as a Titan has a lot more appeal even outside of games performance.

There really isn't much wrong with the Titan outside of its price, at £600 it'd be so much better value I think it'd almost be recommendable.

Even considering the performance, I don't think a 780 is great value because it's been crippled with low FP64 performance unlike the Titan.

Rroff · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:15

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You can go on and on,but it does not change the fact I had issues with a Nvidia sponsered title at launch that affectly my ability to run the game,and were only fixed with a new set of drivers which came out weeks later.

No one (seriously) has ever claimed nVidia hasn't had its share of failings with supporting games that doesn't mean that its necessarily as bad or good as AMD, they both have a different track record and one generally has caused more issues than the other.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So,maybe you are in Cloud Cuckoo land,regarding Nvidia having perfect drivers,but I am not. You are still on Fermi based cards which have very mature drivers,so I don't think you can really start making excuses for Nvidia's failings too while bigging up any supposed AMD ones. I think you are just extrapolating from the experience of that and assuming the same for the current ones.

Just because my main gaming rig has 470s in it and I spend a lot of time playing on a GTX675m doesn't mean its the only hardware I have http://aten-hosted.com/images/oco.png

cjtouhey · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:26

spoffle said:
You're contradicting yourself here really. A Titan isn't only useful for "4K" either, what about people who want multi-GPU set ups and only buy nVidia?

I'd personally rather a Titan over a GTX690 myself as a Titan has a lot more appeal even outside of games performance.

There really isn't much wrong with the Titan outside of its price, at £600 it'd be so much better value I think it'd almost be recommendable.

Even considering the performance, I don't think a 780 is great value because it's been crippled with low FP64 performance unlike the Titan.

Do you mean multiple monitor? or multi gpu as yes i do get the GTX690 is technically sli, but can still run in 4 way (if you could ever fit it) where as if where talking about multiple monitors ive heard the max pixle count does affect how many screens you use... how ever this thread is about 'Gaming' as the main author wanted info on best gpu for Arma 3... if you wanted multiple monitors for rendering software of specialty use i wouldn't even bother with the GTX series in the first place as they are amazingly powerful but no designed for that application. I really cant see anyone needing a hell of a load of monitors for PC gaming unless you want to brag about it.... but yeah, theres where my post came from