When is the new Titan killer expected?

Rroff · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:28

spoffle said:
So you gloss over the GPU killing drivers because it didn't harm too many people?

Firstly disregarding that it should not happen once, never mind twice or three times.

Then you start moaning about petty things that you don't even know for yourself and constantly misspell "you're" whilst expecting to be taken seriously?

I don't know how you can take yourself seriously, Humbug's accusations of you being a shill seem quite apt because you're just a massive nVidia apologist.

I never glossed over it, I gave it a proportional response.

Driver issues that in one case only affected people who intentionally disabled a limiter that was designed to stop it happening and in another case only affected a fraction of a percentage of customers are hardly on par with issues that affect a widespread number of customers such as when the latest game isn't properly supported on release by most of a brand's GPUs in terms of the overall end user experience. Then you have to equate in the number of instances of it happening.

To the more recent and apparently widespread issue again a proportional reponse - its too early days to see what the full effects of it will be but as I said its likely to put a stain on nVidias track record - that doesn't automatically invalidate their entire track record (at the point).

As for taking someone seriously or not due to their spelling of a word... thats a pretty retarded point of view if I have to be honest.

And for throwing around shill accusations... if you throw it around that haphazardly pretty much no one would walk out of this thread clean.

humbug · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:36

I do agree with spelling Nazism, its completely unnecessary ^^^

spoffle said:
So you gloss over the GPU killing drivers because it didn't harm too many people?

Firstly disregarding that it should not happen once, never mind twice or three times.

Then you start moaning about petty things that you don't even know for yourself and constantly misspell "you're" whilst expecting to be taken seriously?

I don't know how you can take yourself seriously, Humbug's accusations of you being a shill seem quite apt because you're just a massive nVidia apologist.

Careful, I din't say he was a Shill, I said he was shilling, not necessarily paid by anyone to spread untruths about a rival company, just behaving like its important to him.

Rroff · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:39

This thread is becoming a bit ludicrous - being accused of claiming the 600 series works flawlessly just after I categorically stated:

"I've heard rumours that some of the issues with kepler can only properly be sorted with hardware bugfixes in the 700 series"

Is taking the **** just a bit... some people seriously need to go back and re-read some of my posts and actually take in what I'm saying before coming out with this rubbish.

Likewise those reading my posts as saying "AMD are terrible" seriously re-read what I'm saying.

spoffle · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:40

Being a shill, shilling, same end result really.

Rroff said:
I never glossed over it, I gave it a proportional response.

Driver issues that in one case only affected people who intentionally disabled a limiter that was designed to stop it happening and in another case only affected a fraction of a percentage of customers are hardly on par with issues that affect a widespread number of customers such as when the latest game isn't properly supported on release by most of a brand's GPUs in terms of the overall end user experience. Then you have to equate in the number of instances of it happening.

To the more recent and apparently widespread issue again a proportional reponse - its too early days to see what the full effects of it will be but as I said its likely to put a stain on nVidias track record - that doesn't automatically invalidate their entire track record (at the point).

As for taking someone seriously or not due to their spelling of a word... thats a pretty retarded point of view if I have to be honest.

And for throwing around shill accusations... if you throw it around that haphazardly pretty much no one would walk out of this thread clean.

It's not a petty point of view because that's not what I said. I'm talking about your posts as a whole.

spoffle · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:41

Rroff said:
This thread is becoming a bit ludicrous - being accused of claiming the 600 series works flawlessly just after I categorically stated:

"I've heard rumours that some of the issues with kepler can only properly be sorted with hardware bugfixes in the 700 series"

Is taking the **** just a bit... some people seriously need to go back and re-read some of my posts and actually take in what I'm saying before coming out with this rubbish.

That reads like a token gesture of "look look I'm criticising nVidia too" to be honest.

I find it unbelievable that you're glossing over drivers that kill a graphics card, whilst complaining about driver support for recent releases but not giving it context.

Rroff · 3 Jun 2013 at 00:47

Yeah just like all the other the posts I've been making over the last few months about how nVidia's driver support being on the decline and how AMD have been putting a lot of effort lately into better support.

V3teran · 3 Jun 2013 at 19:28

Rroff said:
Thats more than a little bit of a flawed way to look at GPU VRAM useage, the fact that very few games have more than 2GB or so of data that needs to be loaded into VRAM at any one time and even on a high end multi monitor setup you'll struggle to top 3GB including screen buffers and RT/FBO buffers.

If a game came out that had say 5GB of high res textures then Titan would utilise its extra VRAM just fine.

Skyrim with all the HD mods goes over 4GB but like i said earlier the core clocks are too low to maintain a constant 60fps when maxxing out the GPU memory so if you dont mind playing at 30-40fps then thats great. Unless you add more cards in SLI obviously then you dont have this problem but it will cost you....Tbh even 50fps is like a slideshow to me, has to be 60 or forget it which is why i went and bought 2x690's on day of release.

Kaapstad said:
When using Titans in 3 and 4 way SLI the 6gb of vram does come in useful @1600p playing Crysis 3 they use 3.5gbs @higher resolutions even more.

They have already done it a year ago, complete with one of those Titan type coolers - the GTX 690 (two gk104 chips with better memory than the GTX 680). You will not be seeing 2x780s on the same card anytime soon either unless NVidia want to give it a TDP of nearly 500 watts lol.

Exactly that is what i said,with Keplar technology its achieveable. Trust me we will see 2x780's or 2x770's on one physical card. Powerdraw is not a problem when it comes to Nvidia's evolutionary process of GPU development. We will see it, mark my words. I can also see a full GK110 with all smx clusters enabled and a huge possibility of HyperQ and Dynamic parallelism which i think is disabled in the crippled Titan. If it dont happen with Keplar it will definitely happen with Maxwell which will have a smaller Die shrink which will mean less power needed, less heat produced and more performance.

Titan is not a true GK110, the fully fledged GK110 is yet to become available and it will eventually.

Boomstick777 · 3 Jun 2013 at 19:52

Looking at the rumored 8970 spec, it should be a Titan killer, especially in terms of price..

whyscotty · 3 Jun 2013 at 20:19

V3teran said:
I can also see a full GK110 with all smx clusters enabled and a huge possibility of HyperQ and Dynamic parallelism which i think is disabled in the crippled Titan.

According to this they haven't been disabled.

https://developer.nvidia.com/ultimate-cuda-development-gpu

LtMatt · 3 Jun 2013 at 20:21

Boomstick777 said:
Looking at the rumored 8970 spec, it should be a Titan killer, especially in terms of price..

I hope they price it reasonably, the 7990 is a complete rip off.

Rroff · 3 Jun 2013 at 20:31

Boomstick777 said:
Looking at the rumored 8970 spec, it should be a Titan killer, especially in terms of price..

The GFlop numbers can be a bit misleading for a direct comparision when talking gaming performance i.e. the 7970GHz for instance has 4096 v ~3000 on the GTX680.

Duff-Man · 3 Jun 2013 at 20:38

Boomstick777 said:
Looking at the rumored 8970 spec, it should be a Titan killer, especially in terms of price..

http://i.imgur.com/HXzeqPp.png

If those numbers are correct, it has 24% more computational grunt than the 7970GE. The Titan was a 45% bump over the GTX680.

An 8970 based on those specs, at ~$600, would be a good card, but it's unlikely to beat the Titan. It may nip at the heels of a GTX780 though. We will have to see how well the cards clock up.

Boomstick777 · 3 Jun 2013 at 21:02

LtMatt said:
I hope they price it reasonably, the 7990 is a complete rip off.

I assume you think the GTX 690 is also a rip off then as the 7990 is a tad faster than the 690 with more vram and a whole bunch of free games yet still priced similar..

With those specs at $599 would be a very nice card. Problem is Nvidia's pricing is getting so high, it's sets a higher precedent for AMD to match, even if they undercut Nvidia's pricing it'll still be very high, especially in the UK.

Personally I'm waiting until this about this time next year to pick up some cheap cards again. Launch pricing has gone bonkers with GPU's.

Kaapstad · 3 Jun 2013 at 21:13

Duff-Man said:
If those numbers are correct, it has 24% more computational grunt than the 7970GE. The Titan was a 45% bump over the GTX680.

An 8970 based on those specs, at ~$600, would be a good card, but it's unlikely to beat the Titan. It may nip at the heels of a GTX780 though. We will have to see how well the cards clock up.

+1

If those specs are to be believed, I don't think 5.500 million transistors are enough to make it a Titan killer.

LtMatt · 3 Jun 2013 at 21:14

Boomstick777 said:
I assume you think the GTX 690 is also a rip off then as the 7990 is a tad faster than the 690 with more vram and a whole bunch of free games yet still priced similar..

With those specs at $599 would be a very nice card. Problem is Nvidia's pricing is getting so high, it's sets a higher precedent for AMD to match, even if they undercut Nvidia's pricing it'll still be very high, especially in the UK.

Personally I'm waiting until this about this time next year to pick up some cheap cards again. Launch pricing has gone bonkers with GPU's.

I think all cards priced over £450 are a rip off regardless of which brand designed them.

spoffle · 3 Jun 2013 at 21:26

Boomstick777 said:
I assume you think the GTX 690 is also a rip off then as the 7990 is a tad faster than the 690 with more vram and a whole bunch of free games yet still priced similar..

With those specs at $599 would be a very nice card. Problem is Nvidia's pricing is getting so high, it's sets a higher precedent for AMD to match, even if they undercut Nvidia's pricing it'll still be very high, especially in the UK.

Personally I'm waiting until this about this time next year to pick up some cheap cards again. Launch pricing has gone bonkers with GPU's.

The 7990 is more of a rip off than the 690 based purely on the cost of the single GPU variants.

The 7990 costs nearly three times the cost of a single 7970, whereas the 690 is around twice.

Boomstick777 · 3 Jun 2013 at 21:26

LtMatt said:
I think all cards priced over £450 are a rip off regardless of which brand designed them.

Agreed, remember when £450 - £500 was the domain of the dual GPU..

Those days seem long gone now

Oh well at least we get bargains on older GPU's when new ones are launching. Very happy with my 7950's should last me until this time next year when I'll grab some more cheap upgrades lol. Thanks to all those guys soaking up all the launch prices for the rest of us

Duff-Man · 3 Jun 2013 at 21:45

Kaapstad said:
+1

If those specs are to be believed, I don't think 5.500 million transistors are enough to make it a Titan killer.

Well, the argument could be made that the Titan has a lot of transistors devoted to high-level compute (since it was primarily designed as a Tesla chip). A "leaner" gaming-oriented GPU could maybe match the Titan at 5.5Bn transistors (in theory). A scaled-up version of GK104, perhaps...

But yeah - that level of upscaling to Tahiti isn't going to match GK110 without some serious modifications to efficiency. I see it coming in close to, but perhaps slightly behind, the GTX780 in overall performance terms. The specs do seem fairly realistic for a 2nd iteration of Tahiti though.

humbug · 3 Jun 2013 at 23:33

Boomstick777 said:
Looking at the rumored 8970 spec, it should be a Titan killer, especially in terms of price..

1 / Oct... release, is there a link?

V3teran · 3 Jun 2013 at 23:39

whyscotty said:
According to this they haven't been disabled.

https://developer.nvidia.com/ultimate-cuda-development-gpu

I see, i read somewhere a while back they may have been disabled, however the source obviously wasnt true. Anyhow the Hyper Q can really help with Bit-coin mining but the AMD cards still shine high in this field. Infact the 680 got raped on the direct compute department, the 580 is much better than the 680 for direct compute. Just because somethings the latest and greatest it does not mean it is neccessarily the best although most of the time it is.