NSA has "back door" into Google, Apple, Facebook and others

[phill1978]

You're one massive contradiction. First you're all like "Ohh PRISM is illegal baaaad mmmkay" and now you're all like "OMG what judge would legally authorize this!!". If the US GOVERNMENT can do something as illegal as PRISM (which you just claimed yourself as "highly illegal") then tell me, what IS a judge and what IS a warrant exactly?


This is the WHOLE POINT! Now it'll be easier for them to use the powers of PRISM!

just a quick point. 3 years from now this information could and might be replayed to find keywords, perhaps even people who disagreed with the regime and those people filed as dangerous .. 20 years from now with our forced obsession with technology the world will be a very different place.

Its sad to see that people (given many recent articles spread all over the internet but non in the main stream media) can put the pieces of the puzzle together.. they are either blind or deeply afraid and feel powerless overall.

 

[asim18]

forced obsession with technology

Forced obsession with technology you say. Hmmm, rings a bell.

Got it! http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18518887

You know what? It could even have been free, not even £25. Remember these guys get £50+ PER WEEK.

Government: "We know we give you £50+ per week, but if you give back just half of it for only one week you can switch to electronic communication which we can intercept much more easily"

But that would have been a bit obvious.

 

[V F]

just a quick point. 3 years from now this information could and might be replayed to find keywords, perhaps even people who disagreed with the regime and those people filed as dangerous .. 20 years from now with our forced obsession with technology the world will be a very different place.

Its sad to see that people (given many recent articles spread all over the internet but non in the main stream media) can put the pieces of the puzzle together.. they are either blind or deeply afraid and feel powerless overall.

Maybe then the internet might change for the greater. Better behaved people that end up not acting in their current anonymous ways and to a fairly big degree, no longer act the way that they do and act the way they are in person.

 

[Tefal]

You're one massive contradiction. First you're all like "Ohh PRISM is illegal baaaad mmmkay" and now you're all like "OMG what judge would legally authorize this!!". If the US GOVERNMENT can do something as illegal as PRISM (which you just claimed yourself as "highly illegal") then tell me, what IS a judge and what IS a warrant exactly?


This is the WHOLE POINT! Now it'll be easier for them to use the powers of PRISM!

sorry how is it a contradiction?

I said prism is illegal hence could not be used to get a warrant

You then said that they just wouldn't tell the judge where the info came from

i replied with the fact that the judge would have to be monumentally retarded to accept wire tap evidence as evidence to get a warrant for wire tapping.

sorry if it confused you, i just tried to point out the absurdity of using illegal evidence to get a warrant.

I'll try to make things more simple in future.

 

[asim18]

sorry how is it a contradiction?

I said prism is illegal hence could not be used to get a warrant

You then said that they just wouldn't tell the judge where the info came from

i replied with the fact that the judge would have to be monumentally retarded to accept wire tap evidence as evidence to get a warrant for wire tapping.

sorry if it confused you, i just tried to point out the absurdity of using illegal evidence to get a warrant.

I'll try to make things more simple in future.

What? You're saying the same thing again lol.

YOU: "PRISM [run by the government] is highly illegal"
YOU: "Judge [US Department of Justice also run by the government] wouldn't accept illegal PRISM data to initiate surveillance"

That is a contradiction.

If the GOVERNMENT itself can partake in "highly illegal" activities. Then what the hell is a judge and a warrant?

If you think the NSA (a government agency) CAN do something illegal, but the DoJ (another government agency) CANT do something illegal, then I'm sorry, but you are a contradiction and very naive.

 

[asim18]

i replied with the fact that the judge would have to be monumentally retarded to accept wire tap evidence as evidence to get a warrant for wire tapping.

Haha. What?

PRISM isn't a wire tap.

A wire tap is something totally different mate.

They use PRISM to to find targets to initiate actual wire tapping and other live surveillance.

 

[phill1978]

Maybe then the internet might change for the greater. Better behaved people that end up not acting in their current anonymous ways and to a fairly big degree, no longer act the way that they do and act the way they are in person.

funny how freedom of anonymity brings out the best and worst?

TBH il take the risk as it is now thanks. Whats so good about behaving anyway? what does that word mean as an adult? it can actually mean anything and depends entirely on social pre-tense which you may or may not agree with. If the masses agree then the odd one out is 'not behaving'

Just saying (while we can!)

 

[phill1978]

Forced obsession with technology you say. Hmmm, rings a bell.

Got it! http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18518887

You know what? It could even have been free, not even £25. Remember these guys get £50+ PER WEEK.

Government: "We know we give you £50+ per week, but if you give back just half of it for only one week you can switch to electronic communication which we can intercept much more easily"

But that would have been a bit obvious.

heh..

quote from early on

" these scum should be in workhouses being forced to break rocks with toffee hammers, not getting subsidized computers at the taxpayers expense..

Was he talking about bankers or politicians? was he talking about dodgy businesses or mega corps.. the elite billionaires? hmm so easily distracted.

I just want to say one thing about this which i know a lot of people now believe: The system has engineered hate in the 'lower social orders' through the state owned / corporate shareholder owned mass media. The word, *****,scum,chav has been banded about.. they simply HAVE to distract you from their operational skullduggery and make you feel higher by looking down on others. Its sickening and evil social conditioning that has existed ever since the idea of the 'state' arose



that is all.

 

[asim18]

Yeah definitely. The proof is in this thread. I mean we literally have a dude here who openly admits that the Government is doing something "highly illegal" in one department, but then absolutely refuses to believe they could possibly be doing anything illegal in the department next door.

Only the best social engineer on the planet could make that happen. It's extremely interesting and amazing though.

 

[V F]

funny how freedom of anonymity brings out the best and worst?

TBH il take the risk as it is now thanks. Whats so good about behaving anyway? what does that word mean as an adult? it can actually mean anything and depends entirely on social pre-tense which you may or may not agree with. If the masses agree then the odd one out is 'not behaving'

Just saying (while we can!)

Have you seen Youtube? or any other articles where so many people troll and cause havoc. Some places you can't even ask them questions because comments have been disabled from all the needless abuse. Sometimes there's so much abuse the legit comments have been bumped off page after page.

Just like how the masses can abuse, insult, troll people or companies because they can.

 

[phill1978]

Yeah definitely. The proof is in this thread. I mean we literally have a dude here who openly admits that the Government is doing something "highly illegal" in one department, but then absolutely refuses to believe they could possibly be doing anything illegal in the department next door.

Only the best social engineer on the planet could make that happen. It's extremely interesting and amazing though.

I just think if you look at the world today the 'auto-hate' spouted by people is alarming. If you really are interested there is enough raw material out there that points to what i said as being an actual agenda (humored by the old Monte python class sketch)

This is more true than ever.. however the NEW difference is that the middle is now being banded with the low so there is just now LOW and ULTRA HIGH.

those same nasty sun readers are swimming with the people they hate arguing to themselves about it all while the same billionaires fly to Monaco to their $50 million Yacht

people are so easily manipulated and used. even the machines have better jobs and prospects.

 

[phill1978]

Have you seen Youtube? or any other articles where so many people troll and cause havoc. Some places you can't even ask them questions because comments have been disabled from all the needless abuse. Sometimes there's so much abuse the legit comments have been bumped off page after page.

Just like how the masses can abuse, insult, troll people or companies because they can.

respectfully.. whats your answer then.. please?

 

[V F]

There needs to be a balance but there never will be. Governments only love extremes, all or nothing. Plus too many are too busy with their soaps and reality tv to care.

 

[phill1978]

There needs to be a balance but there never will be. Governments only love extremes, all or nothing. Plus too many are too busy with their soaps and reality tv to care.

ok, not to be funny. but that isn't a practical answer. I was expecting to hear what you really felt would work as a solution?

please elaborate, you sound smart enough to already have an idea about it

 

[LordSplodge]

Just because it's LEGAL doesn't mean it's RIGHT

A point missed by a lot of people, probably because they're too busy selling their freedom to 'stop' the boogeyman.

 

[aayzof]

I've been astounded by the reaction to this. What do people think intelligence agencies do all day? Of course they're going to be attempting to procure data from prominent internet companies...

 

[asim18]

I've been astounded by the reaction to this. What do people think intelligence agencies do all day? Of course they're going to be attempting to procure data from prominent internet companies...

DUDE NO WAI THATS ILLEGAL MANN DEY CANT DO DAT





Just remember this is GD after all. Half the people are borderline illiterate, let alone know what an intelligence agency is.

 

[Mickie]

The very fact some ones come out over concerns about how they run it should be concerning shouldn't it ?

I don't feel too good about the fact i have zero privacy and when i have no trust in our government at all in what it does, i'd hate to think what evil they plan on doing with all the data.

 

[NathanE]

If you were able to read between the lines, a year or so ago when China compromised Gmail / Hotmail etc and were using it to spy on their protesting citizens at the time there were many signs that what was actually compromised was the PRISM system. It seemed too much of a coincidence that basically every major web mail firm had been all compromised by China at the same time. So it could be said that PRISM was almost at the brink of being publicly disclosed a year ago when this happened. But of course without those hilarious PowerPoint slides the US would have been able to maintain plausible deniability.

 

[phill1978]

I've been astounded by the reaction to this. What do people think intelligence agencies do all day? Of course they're going to be attempting to procure data from prominent internet companies...

because people had a scrap of trust left.. and now that's burnt.

up until recent ahem 'amendments' it wasn't as clear cut as capturing the entire internet feed of a nation and replaying it back looking for key words, sounds, face tagged images. Matching with CCTV footage and placing people.. sorry the computer places people in the frame. There is the bilderberg happening now which is a long running 60 year secret meeting only recently revealed where by our government, royalty and mega corps (google, microsoft) meet to discuss you and your children's future in complete secrecy

the key founders are from nazi Germany. There has been a full media white wash on this up until the indie media brought it to the attention of the public (media companies owned by said mega corps so no big surprise)

so, the only thing left to say is that you need to go back and read about nazi Germany and the categorization of people, the bar code tagging etc..
what experiments were carried out on people and what happened to these sadistic (genuine maniacs) scientists ... a brief synopsis the us & Russian gov hired them and most lived out a good 30 years afterwards working for the 'good guys' (were talking about people who used to inject petrol directly into peoples hearts)

open your eyes ^ nothing above was factually incorrect and if you think that's ok, then your deserve your fate

people have no trust of their government or the people who work behind them. secret services and inquisitions all sounds vaguely familiar ? history repeating itself in a technocratic age

that is all.