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Looks good in the trailer; I know it's nothing to do with the gameplay and just for trailer purposes but it was kinda stupid how scripted the trailer was, e.g the helicopter coming up the building, and not shooting, then just after that all the enemies running out, still not shooting

Just a gripe, Does look good though

Yeah I mean you can tell they had rehearsed the match and the opposition had been told not to try and kill the squad that we were being shown, but it still looked frikkin awesome imho.

Sure, the graphics don't look hugely different from BF3, but we are watching videos here, not actually playing it ourselves.

The destruction looked great (support pillar) and I'm curious to see if the building destruction was scripted or real time, but either way I'm not really bothered, as that building was HUGE, and if it falls down as a result of the point being blown up, so be it. IF it falls down due to heavy damage? splooge.


Also, moving from the player driven chopper drop off, into a close urban environment, then up an elevator in a sky scraper that will then be destroyed and fall down? That is what I'm talking about!
 
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Yeah what they showed was heavily scripted but in all fairness when you've only have an allocated time slot you kind of have to in order to show off the games features. I mean would we have rather seen 5 minutes of spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn, hide and snipe :p
 
If they brought out any new expansions, people would complain. So they are releasing a new game... and people complain. Can't win.

They've updated their game engine to Frostbite 3, so a new game is needed. Why bother making a new game, and then porting BF3 over to it so it's compatible, and splitting it into 3 different expansions, when you could just make BF4.

BFBC 2 Vietnam was set in a different era, so of course you're going to get more of a change with that.

Longbow you hit the nail on the head. People will complain no matter what, they do the same stuff as last year = people complain, they do something new = people complain.

I thought it looked excellent. People never seem to be happy these days but I do agree we should be going back to WW2 :) Orginal Call of Duty + United Offensive,Battlefield 1942 and RTCW:ET on the new engines would suit me fine :D
 
Personally I'm sick of WW2 games and don't want to go back. After BF4 then SW Battlefront they need to do 2143. Then I will die a happy man.

Is it just me that thought PvZ Garden Warfare looked like fun?
 
I have to disagree entirely with your post but mainly on these two points. The reasons being;
  • I consider myself a 'hardcore' fan of the series and I love the direction they took with BF3.
  • Updated BF2 would have bored me (yes, theres a reason I stopped playing BF2, i was done with it) and this is what people complain about every year with COD, sports games, etc.
I'm happy with what I've seen from the multiplayer demo and am sure to be picking this up on release day. Along with about a few thousand other people I'm sure. You don't have to rebuild your game from scratch to create a great game.

As I said in my post, "most", that doesn't mean everyone, of course there will be people that much prefer it to bf 2 etc.

That is just what I have seen from the likes of this forum, friends and clans (one clan that I was friendly with who have played every BF game and it is pretty much the only multi-player games they play even thought BF 3 was a a let down [even compared to BC 2] and these guys are serious fanboys of DICE/BF series)

I was never expecting the game to be rebuilt from scratch for the reasons you said, it would just be stupid, I was just expecting it to have a different look/feel etc. rather than just looking like a new BF 3 map/patch.

If they brought out any new expansions, people would complain. So they are releasing a new game... and people complain. Can't win.

They've updated their game engine to Frostbite 3, so a new game is needed. Why bother making a new game, and then porting BF3 over to it so it's compatible, and splitting it into 3 different expansions, when you could just make BF4.

BFBC 2 Vietnam was set in a different era, so of course you're going to get more of a change with that.

True, you can't please everyone.

Well apart from improved graphics for the final version, I haven't seen much, if anything that couldn't have been done on the current engine so far.....

Obviously if there is a lot more new stuff to it under the hood then of course they couldn't do what you said there, but if there is barely any difference other than the usual, new vehicles, new weapons, new maps, slightly tweaked UI all of which could have been done via DLC map packs and patches as we have seen with BC 2 & vietnam and BF 3 and all its packages, I would have preferred for them to be have just released this as DLC rather than having to pay another £40 for essentially the same game so far.......(imo) and then once premium, other DLC packs come out for BF 4, you're looking at another £40+

As I said earlier, once we see more footage that isn't scripted then maybe my opinion will change.

So far, I am looking forward to battlefront a lot more than what I am for BF 4 as it has the potential to be excellent and "different" but if it just a reskin of BF 3/4 then I'll be disappointed for the exact same reasons.
 
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Hi Nexus,

I would put myself in that die hard BF fan slot, however BF3 was a let down which i have posted about many times before on what i believed they need to do to get its soul back, however some of the comments your making make little to no sense.

"if there is barely any difference other than the usual, new vehicles, new weapons, new maps, slightly tweaked UI all of which could have been done via DLC map packs and patches"

So far, I am looking forward to battlefront a lot more than what I am for BF 4 as it has the potential to be excellent and "different" but if it just a reskin of BF 3/4 then I'll be disappointed for the exact same reasons.

You could hold the first part of your statement true for every game that has ever had a number after it, within reason every game after the first one at its core only does those very things, BF2142 was using the same engine that BF2 did & that was a full priced game, everything could have been done as DLC. Was that ok, but this is not?

Battlefront will be just like Battlefront but with better graphics, new weapons, new maps & new UI, the format is still the same
 
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Looking at the way they did bf3, they bring out the premium pack after release date, so all the people that spent £55 or £45 on the preorder game have to spend another £20 to get premium. Do you think that is going to be the same.

I just know at this point i am highly likely that i will purchase it, so thinking i might as well preorder the deluxe so i can play the beta, but is beta guaranteed if you buy the deluxe and is the deluxe the knew premium or they going to want another £20 before i can use all the guns?
 
Looking at the way they did bf3, they bring out the premium pack after release date, so all the people that spent £55 or £45 on the preorder game have to spend another £20 to get premium. Do you think that is going to be the same.

I just know at this point i am highly likely that i will purchase it, so thinking i might as well preorder the deluxe so i can play the beta, but is beta guaranteed if you buy the deluxe and is the deluxe the knew premium or they going to want another £20 before i can use all the guns?

You get access to the BF4 beta if you have BF3 Premium.

I doubt BF4 Deluxe is the premium. It will be like BF3 where they released a deluxe pre-order version that came with a few extra (crappy) weapons.
 
Youtube is a different play through :D

They obviously rehearsed the thing religiously, had a script and specific roles, people were told who could and couldn't die etc..

But can you imagine if you were the guy in the cobra and accidentally killed the guy whose view was on the big screen ? lol

That would have been so funny.
 
Nah it was done live.

When he was choppered in the game had already been running, points taken and tickets burned.

They obviously started the game about 20 minutes before they went on stage and got it all set up then followed the pre determined script to showcase what they wanted to show

I was just musing how funny it would be if the cobra pilot's rockets acidentally killed the player whose view was on the big screen at E3. Can you imagine the guys at DICE "You weren't supposed to kill him !!!"

They had loads of people whose job was just to run at him and be cannon fodder for example lol.
 
Nah it was done live.

When he was choppered in the game had already been running, points taken and tickets burned.

They obviously started the game about 20 minutes before they went on stage and got it all set up then followed the pre determined script to showcase what they wanted to show

I was just musing how funny it would be if the cobra pilot's rockets acidentally killed the player whose view was on the big screen at E3. Can you imagine the guys at DICE "You weren't supposed to kill him !!!"

They had loads of people whose job was just to run at him and be cannon fodder for example lol.

I imagine they would have had GOD MODE enabled for that guy.
 
I imagine they would have had GOD MODE enabled for that guy.

I would bet on it, he took to many hits not to go down.

There was clearly a script saying we are going here, drop the road, get on a boat, then up the lift and then we drop the building, everyone will have a semi on by now so job done.

They what to showcase cool new things, address a number of issues which has to fit in 5 minutes, in a normal game it could take that long to get a helo on the go to even start that run.

They did a good job, got me thinking about BF again which to be honest was not even on the radar until that moment.
 
You could hold the first part of your statement true for every game that has ever had a number after it, within reason every game after the first one at its core only does those very things, BF2142 was using the same engine that BF2 did & that was a full priced game, everything could have been done as DLC. Was that ok, but this is not?

Battlefront will be just like Battlefront but with better graphics, new weapons, new maps & new UI, the format is still the same

I didn't own any old BF game (didn't have my own gaming PC, just consoles), only played on friend's pc's etc. for like a few hours so can't really give my opinion regarding those two and besides that was so long ago, I can't even remember the game that well! :p :o

But if the core of the game and everything that made it tick was the exact same, the mechanics, animations etc. and it was just a "reskin" with different vehicles etc. then yes I would say there is no need for a completely new separate game then.

Now what I would consider to be a true new game is something like when comparing Batman Arkham Asylum and city for these reasons:

- it was just running on an updated engine iirc, however, the graphics were much improved in every area, sounds were improved, better animations etc.
- the gameplay mechanics were a lot better, the flight, combat, scale of map etc.
- new gadgets and improved the way the older ones worked
- much improved UI/map that was interlinked with some parts of the game missions
- way more challenge stuff

And then the usual stuff like new environment, completely new story, characters etc.

Pretty much every single thing was vastly improved over the first and this was all done on more or less the same engine. So yes, perhaps they could have just released this as a DLC pack and included everything via a patch but when so much has changed, then a new game is needed, that is my point regarding these new videos of BF 4, apart from a few small changes, the biggest thing being related to the map, "so far" it just looks/acts/performs the same as the "core" of BF 3 imo.

In all honesty, if they didn't mention BF 4 or anything at all about that video, I would have thought that was the next DLC pack for bf 3 where as when watching the early trailers for B:AC, it looked like a different game overall.

I don't really care if companies use the same engine (how many games use the same unreal engine???), as long as they improve everything about the game and make it stand out from the previous game then I am happy with that.

As I said many times before though, I am just basing this on what I have seen "so far" (and things could be very different considering this isn't final), my opinion could/will change once we see more of the gameplay mechanics and that will be the decider for me as to if I look at BF 4 as just an "expansion pack" for BF 3 or a "new" game.


TBH, if it is just like battlefront 1 and 2 but with updated graphics, sounds, animations, weapons etc. then I will be very happy where as if it is just BF 3/4 reskinned i.e. same core mechanics but different vehicles etc. then I'll be slightly disappointed as my problem with BF 3 isn't related to the engine, graphics etc. but with the "gameplay mechanics" i.e. things like poor balance between vehicle and infantry, poor map design, land slide wins etc. (imo)
 
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