Naked Rambler Jailed

[aln]

Scottish laws on indecency were primarily driven towards child protection.


That would be a straw man.

Quoting fallacies is nothing but a way to avoid a debate you'd rather not have, usually because someones landed right on the mark. The point is very valid, you're either of the opinion that the there is no harm caused by law or societal constructs such as this, or you accept your point regarding alleged harm is rather moot because it goes both ways.

Personally I think the PC nature of our country is far more harmful than a guy walking around naked, but you'd really need to define harm to get anywhere on that point. Is it harmful that some kids grow up feeling that showing their naked flesh is acceptable? Is it harmful that some kids will be affected by this? Is it harmful that it is purely society which makes this possible?

 

[Biohazard]

Just because a child sees someone naked doesn't mean you need a conversation about babies. Sex and nakedness are not completely entwined; you can have one without the other.

I never said they were, but that these things can have a marked impact on a child.

When I went to a Japanese onsen and found out that you have to be naked, did I feel alarm, confusion or embarrassment? Well, perhaps a bit of embarrassment, but I got over it and I think everyone else should do the same.

I'm still not seeing any harm caused.

It's entirely subjective, just because you cannot see it shouldn't exclude the possibility by way of empathy.

 

[Biohazard]

Quoting fallacies is nothing but a way to avoid a debate you'd rather not have, usually because someones landed right on the mark. The point is very valid.

No Alan, you tried to turn me questioning someone's position on something as being the same as taking the completely polar opposite of the stance in question.

That is not what I have done, should you notice, I am also contributing to the debate with you and others.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I never said they were, but that these things can have a marked impact on a child.

I disagree. I don't think any child would feel alarmed. If anything I think they'd care less then the adults.

It's entirely subjective, just because you cannot see it shouldn't preclude the possibility by way of empathy.

I see no evidence of harm. In which case I think personal freedom should persevere.

 

[Nitefly]

He was jailed because he broke the ASBO, not for anything less.

I'd say walking around naked is just a bit unpleasant really.

 

[Uther]

Its not actually illegal to be naked in public though is it? Just lots of other laws made up to deal with it.
Protection of children? This is more to do with notions of 'decency' and hundreds/thousands of years of religion.
Look how many people in this country are offended by breastfeeding in public!

 

[Burnsy2023]

He was jailed because he broke the ASBO, not for anything less.

He was originally jailed in Scotland for BoP.

 

[Spektor]

I'd say walking around naked is just a bit unpleasant really.

But do you think because you don't ascribe to it that nobody should be able to? remember the ASBO was based upon the nakedness in the first place so you can't just pass it off as him getting in trouble for breaking an ASBO like it's not related.

 

[Biohazard]

He was jailed because he broke the ASBO, not for anything less.

I'd say walking around naked is just a bit unpleasant really.

It could pay off some times, maybe not others...

 

[Nitefly]

He was originally jailed in Scotland for BoP.

Scotland is a wacky country with wacky laws. Best leave them to themselves.

 

[aln]

No Alan, you tried to turn me questioning someone's position on something as being the same as taking the completely polar opposite of the stance in question.

That is not what I have done, should you notice, I am also contributing to the debate with you and others.

I further expanded on my point but if you're going to write my name, please have the decency to do it right.

 

[Nitefly]

It could pay off some times, maybe no others...

Haha yes

 

[Dave M]

I'd find it very amusing if I passed a naked rambler in the hills, I'd be too busy trying not to openly smirk to be offended. I wonder what broke in most people when they grew up but the worlds far too ridiculous to be so serious about it.

I find it more interesting that Burnsey disagrees with some parts of the law, I disagree with a great deal of freedom limiting laws that have no direct impact on others, laws most seem completely indoctrinated into, but it is nice to see everyone has a limit.

 

[Biohazard]

I disagree. I don't think any child would feel alarmed. If anything I think they'd care less then the adults.

That is but one reaction that could come from it, but if you can't see the potential then oh well.

I see no evidence of harm. In which case I think personal freedom should persevere.

What about personal freedom not to see it in a public place?

I thought you were to balance freedoms, not pick one you like the sound of most and stand on it.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I find it more interesting that Burnsey disagrees with some parts of the law, I disagree with a great deal of freedom limiting laws that have no direct impact on others, laws most seem completely indoctrinated into, but it is nice to see everyone has a limit.

I just enforce the law, I don't have to agree with it and on many occasions I don't.

 

[aln]

I'd find it very amusing if I passed a naked rambler in the hills, I'd be too busy trying not to openly smirk to be offended. I wonder what broke in most people when they grew up but the worlds far too ridiculous to be so serious about it.

I find it more interesting that Burnsey disagrees with some parts of the law, I disagree with a great deal of freedom limiting laws that have no direct impact on others, laws most seem completely indoctrinated into, but it is nice to see everyone has a limit.

This is, I believe, the opening narrative of "end of watch".

Brian Taylor: [voice over] I'm the police. And I'm here to arrest you. You've broken the law. I did not write the law. I may even disagree with the law. But I will enforce it. No matter how you plead, cajole, beg or attempt to stir my sympathies, nothing you do will stop me from placing you in a steel cage with grey bars. If you run away, I will chase you. If you fight me, I will fight back. If you shoot at me, I will shoot back. By law, I am unable to walk away. I'm a consequence. I am the unpaid bill. I am fate with a badge and a gun. Behind my badge is a heart like yours. I bleed. I think. I love. And yes, I can be killed. And although I'm but one man, I have thousands of brothers and sisters who are the same as me. They will lay down their lives for me. And I them. We stand watch together. A thin blue line. Protecting the prey from the predators. The good from the bad. We are the police.

It's American and made up entertainment, but nonethless apt. Personally I don't think I could live with myself enforcing laws that I don't believe in, but I imagine that's part of the job and it takes a special kind of someone to ignore this or equate legality to morality.

 

[Biohazard]

I just enforce the law, I don't have to agree with it and on many occasions I don't.

I. AM. THE. LAW.

 

[Burnsy2023]

What about personal freedom not to see it in a public place?

That's not a freedom, that's a restriction. Should I have the power (as a citizen) to restrict what people do in a public place if no harm is caused?

 

[Mason-]

It's just people choosing to be offended as is the case with most things.
Everyone knows what a naked person looks like, if I told you to picture a naked man and woman in your head you could. If I told you to picture a fat man/woman, a black man/woman etc etc you could. Why does seeing it in public make it offensive?

How is it sexually indecent? Does that mean looking at yourself naked in the mirror is sexually indecent? There is nothing sexual about a naked body, it's what you associate about a naked person that makes it sexual.

 

[Deific]

It's absolutely ridiculous that it's a crime to walk around the way we were born.