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Treating people the same in not equality. Let me give you an example of why it may be advantageous.

You hold interviews for the post of Professor of Physics at Cambridge a few years back. You hold the interviews on the 2nd floor. There is no lift only stairs. Everyone has to use the stairs. Do you get the best candidate to attend? Or would you have to treat that person differently to give them an equal chance of attending the interview and actually getting the person you want.

There is a little bit of error in this.

If some of the smartest people in the world cannot humble themselves with asking for a meeting elsewhere, then it isnt entirely the organisations fault.
 
Like with any group of fanatics, it's the loud-mouthed ones you hear from the most and who have painted this unfortunate image for you.

Radfems, with whom I have my own serious ******* issues with for very personal reasons, are the very worst people for this. They do not care who they trample upon, whose lives they endanger or how ridiculous they look to prove their point, which is usually so ensconced in their midlander, all sense is lost before they've even begun.
 
It would only be a stupid example if it didn't highlight the stupidity of your position. However, it did highlight the stupidity of your position because you are now saying you wouldn't treat people equally in the case of access (one of the main points regarding equality for disabled people and written into law). So what other exceptions do you make to your now defunct blanket rule?

There is a vast difference between giving everyone equal opportunities and positively/negatively discriminating against people. If you cannot see the difference between equality and something that is straight forward good planning in ease of access then you have some poor logic or are deliberately on the wind up.

I'm not fussed which but it is a defunct arguement.
 
If some of the smartest people in the world cannot humble themselves with asking for a meeting elsewhere, then it isnt entirely the organisations fault.

And nowhere did I say that the onus was on the organisation to have some degree of psychic powers to guess the needs of those who may attend.

The point was to demonstrate the different people have different needs. To give people an equal opportunity for success then you don't necessarily have to treat them equally.
 
With regards to feminism I think it has generally lost it's sense of direction. It seems to me like more feminists believe that women are better than men now, which kind of defeats the original purpose of equal rights?

One statement "A man can't multitask" I am not arguing whether it's true or not, or that I see it as offensive (I don't) but it's tongue in cheek like the "women belong in the kitchen" and I don't hear about men complaining about that. And no, women aren't the minority, which seems to be the rule there about things which offend certain people but they are fine to use another jibe...
 
"... because people still ask what the victim was wearing"
"... because men should have to factor their kids into their career too"
"... I don't want to feel scared when I go out by myself at night"
"... women should have equal opportunities in the workplace" - I agree to this one but would make the additional comment that having children, to extents, will obviously disrupt careers
What do you think?

Workplaces are business, if someone goes missing for 6-12 months after having children, their role is currently filled and then kept for them upon their return.
At that stage they have 6-12 months less experience than anyone who started at the same time as them. Their CV will likely not reflect such. They are in a disadvantaged position, and more so if they have several children, 3 or 4 can put you years behind your corporate rivals. In this time your workplace has had to fill your position several times, and in general no matter how good networking/training/corporate structures are, there will be some detriment to that position. There must be if you were a valuable employee in the first place.
If you were easy to replace during your absences then you will likely find the company wishes you didn't come back, but legally they can do nothing to get rid of you.

This isn't feminism or antifeminism, its simple business reality. It is currently legislated against.



As for I don't want to feel scared when I go out at night on my own.
Pick the right place, and every person out there will be afraid to go out alone. That's not a sex based that, its a society based thing. It's stupidity to suggest that going out alone as a female will get you raped or assaulted. You're much more likely to be mugged. In either sex.
 
One statement "A man can't multitask" I am not arguing whether it's true or not, or that I see it as offensive (I don't) but it's tongue in cheek like the "women belong in the kitchen" and I don't hear about men complaining about that. And no, women aren't the minority, which seems to be the rule there about things which offend certain people but they are fine to use another jibe...

This is one of the biggest issues. Most men couldn't care less and would make exactly the same joke whereas feminists would take any remark about women as proof that you hate them. The current glut of feminists cannot stand the idea that men and women are not the same.

I know that society like to lie about most things but I remember when I was younger my mum would say I am a misogamist because I said that in nearly every sport, men are better than women and beat them when competing against each other. When asked to explain how I was incorrect I was met with silence.

Men and women have different skills and talents yet it is completely unacceptable to point out these things. "Women's football should be paid more and be shown on tv" because of equal rights. Brilliant, thats fine, I agree 100%. Let women build up a successful and profitable football league and once they have done that, they can do what every single other person / sport / employee has to do and work within the confines of a capitalist system that requires profitability.

If feminists looked at their issues in a un-biased nature they might realise that they are not being discriminated against, they are simply required to work under the same rules and restrictions as everyone else.
 
One of my best mates works in a predominately female orientated profession and I would love a TV crew to have followed him through his career highlights for me would be:

1) Informing his father he wanted to become a nurse and getting asked if he was gay.
2) Inappropriate comments during training and unwanted advances.
3) Getting called a "dirty breeder" when working at a predominately "gay" staffed hospital.
4) Finding out about promotions on the grape-vine when a group of female staff who were friends with the female manager were told about the posts before they even got placed to HR and assisted with their applications.
5) Told when challenging a female nurse for poor practice why a bloke would want to enter children's nursing. Surely he had an ulterior motive ...
6) Told by black student nurses they would accuse him of racism if he dared fail them.

I wonder what most feminists would have to say about that. Fair play to the bloke he is still in the job and sticks with that **** on a regular basis. If it were me I'd have murdered someone by now especially for no 5.
 
You do right, and I'd do exactly the same. I tend to wear heels a lot, but mine fit me properly and I know how to walk in them. The women who just throw a pair of heels on in the morning and have no idea how to wear and move in them properly them complain at the end of the day because they're in pain get no sympathy from me.

Is it something you can teach? My gf knows about my high heel weakness and wants to wear them more often for me (she seems to get a kick on making me weak at the knees) :o
 
Yes women have it so bad these days, with there extended maternity leave, lower retirement age and abundance of specialised doctors.

The vast majority of feminists want equality for both sexes. That means equal maternity and pension rights too.

The law on both is changing anyway.
 
The vast majority of feminists want equality for both sexes. That means equal maternity and pension rights too.

The law on both is changing anyway.

Ok cool, so i guess they wouldn't mind if we took away all that extended maternity leave and pensions then? ;)
 
Ok cool, so i guess they wouldn't mind if we took away all that extended maternity leave and pensions then? ;)

Actually, no. However, most feminists are in favour of leveling maternity leave and pensions rather than some race to the bottom where everyone is worse off.

Remember that if men can take extra paternity leave, women can get back to work earlier and sustain their careers better. It's a win-win situation.

Also, did you know that until very recently a man buying a private pension annuity would get more per month out of it than a woman with the same pot of money? Thankfully, that's changed (it was part of the same ruling that effectively banned Sheila's Wheels).
 
Is it something you can teach? My gf knows about my high heel weakness and wants to wear them more often for me (she seems to get a kick on making me weak at the knees) :o

It is something that can be taught yeah. Generic YouTube 'how to' videos are a bit iffy though just as a word of caution. Everyone's posture is different and things like leg length, hip width, boob size and spine curvature all play a part in minimising discomfort of wearing heels for an extended period of time. To comprehensively adapt someone who is naturally not really built for heels takes time and requires someone to constantly watch and adjust the walk, posture and gait until it becomes second nature. There are a few general exercises that are good for starters, to save pulling the thread off course email me if you want to. :)
 
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