Nelson Mandela 'critically ill in hospital'

Frightful Boar said:
It's sort of like Bin Laden becoming US president. Or Jerry Adams UK Prime Minister.

One man's terrorist...

Ridiculous.
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After ~100 years of state sponsored terrorism against the majority indigenous population on the grounds that they were a different skin colour it was surprising that the native population did not take revenge on their oppressors. The Truth and Reconciliation Committee was formed to get the truth and find some closure.
A few on this forum seem to think it OK if one lot terrorise the other and cry foul if it happens the other way. Pathetic.
 
Castiel said:
I know a lot of South Africans who would disagree with that....more than would agree for that matter.
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Would these south Africans be representative of the wider population? - or part of a group which benefited from the historic regime?.

Most of the South Africans I know also preferred how it was in the olden days, but they were also part of the sub-group which has a position of preference in that time so it's not really surprising.

On a side note, one thing which seems odd is how completely people seem to dismiss the suffering the indigenous population went through over the history which ended up in it ending the way it did.

Do you honestly think they would have given the people equality by choice? - while the actions of many not been much better (along with many innocent people of any race losing there lives over it) - what exactly should you expect if you oppressed a massive segment of the population for that long? - do they honestly believe it will end well?.

As a rule of thumb, if you don't want a large sub-group of a population to rise against you, kill your family & murder innocents - try treating them like humans beings, it's an expected consequence of long term oppression.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19402353

Hmm... :|
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If you switch the ethnic groups for income levels you see a similar pattern globally.

It's more of a case, even with votes - poor people don't suddenly become rich.

The material wealth of the parents are still incredibly important to ensure equality of opportunity/the nation has terrible social mobility.
 
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do_ron_ron said:
After ~100 years of state sponsored terrorism against the majority indigenous population on the grounds that they were a different skin colour it was surprising that the native population did not take revenge on their oppressors. The Truth and Reconciliation Committee was formed to get the truth and find some closure.
A few on this forum seem to think it OK if one lot terrorise the other and cry foul if it happens the other way. Pathetic.
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Virtually nothing you've said is correct. You wanna suck up to people you've never met, go right ahead.
 
elmarko said:
Would these south Africans be representative of the wider population? - or part of a group which benefited from the historic regime?.
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With the exception of one, they are all Black South Africans, some of whom fought against Apartheid and White Rule....only to feel disenfranchised and ignored by the ruling class as is. A case of the Oppressed becoming the Oppressors.
 
Castiel said:
With the exception of one, they are all Black South Africans, some of whom fought against Apartheid and White Rule....only to feel disenfranchised and ignored by the ruling class as is. A case of the Oppressed becoming the Oppressors.
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Hmm, interesting - I've known quite a few South Africans but all have been white (also mildly racist), so it's enlightening to hear something from the other side of the coin (they didn't give a good impression).

I can most certainly see why a group would be disenfranchised, as we all know - simply obtaining basic equal rights doesn't really address the massive imbalance of wealth.
 
Castiel said:
With the exception of one, they are all Black South Africans, some of whom fought against Apartheid and White Rule....only to feel disenfranchised and ignored by the ruling class as is. A case of the Oppressed becoming the Oppressors.
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Which wasn't Mandela's goal, shizzle was warped by other unqualified, greedy, idiotic people getting in to power by default.

Kinda like whenever Labour comes in to power. :p
 
krooton said:
Which wasn't Mandela's goal, shizzle was warped by other unqualified, greedy, idiotic people getting in to power by default.

Kinda like whenever Labour comes in to power. :p
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Yet Mandela and his supporters were instrumental in the current socio-political situation and are a part of that ruling class, Mandela himself admits that Human Rights were ignored by the ANC under his leadership....This is why I cannot understand his lionisation, yet understand why he respected by anti-Apartheid campaigners.

It's a matter of scale for me......
 
I wish him well. He's done more good for the world than many other leaders. He forgave his captors (good Christian principle there), he wore a springbok top and supported SA winning the rugby World Cup in 1995, and stood in solidarity and in unison with those around him, black or white. He's done the world and his country so much more good than most political leaders.

Whilst I fear he's probably not here for much longer, rather than giving up after his ill treatment he came back into office instead of retiring, remember he was in his 70s, and what he achieved with his determination, compassion and resilience is humbling.

God bless him.

Edit: I am aware he's not innocent of some bad decisions, but I still feel overall he is more of a good person than an evil one. :)
 
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elmarko said:
Hmm, interesting - I've known quite a few South Africans but all have been white (also mildly racist), so it's enlightening to hear something from the other side of the coin (they didn't give a good impression).

I can most certainly see why a group would be disenfranchised, as we all know - simply obtaining basic equal rights doesn't really address the massive imbalance of wealth.
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The racism is endemic....as strange as it sounds the racism is really based on the caste of the person rather than the colour...for example, the one White South African that I know well, is what we would consider a racist, but only toward Black South Africans (and then of a certain class) he is totally ambivalent about European Blacks or anyone not South African. The Black South Africans have a more complex agenda, based on their creed, tribal and caste affiliations...it is a complex and almost inscrutable (to a non South African) situation.
 
Castiel said:
The racism is endemic....as strange as it sounds the racism is really based on the caste of the person rather than the colour...for example, the one White South African that I know well, is what we would consider a racist, but only toward Black South Africans (and then of a certain class) he is totally ambivalent about European Blacks or anyone not South African. The Black South Africans have a more complex agenda, based on their creed, tribal and caste affiliations...it is a complex and almost inscrutable (to a non South African) situation.
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I've seen similar, some white saffas are fine with British/American/Caribbean black people (so English speaking), but racist towards any black person 1st generation African. Others are just racists towards all black people regardless.
 
As a White South African reading this I could easily take offense at being stereotyped. I won't though because being offended by every little thing is silly.

The term "saffa" is super offensive though, if you were the type to be offended, so if you were feeling PC you might want to refrain from using it.
 
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Frightful Boar said:
As a White South African reading this I could easily take offense at being stereotyped. I won't though because being offended by every little thing is silly.

The term "saffa" is super offensive though, if you were the type to be offended, so if you were feeling PC you might want to refrain from using it.
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I knew a white south african who loved being called a saffa :confused:
 
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