Girl accuses stranger off Facebook of rape

Twirlywoos · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:11

Awful, but then I'm not on fitnahbook so don't give a damn. 200hrs community service lol

Justice system is always a joke in this country, unless when it comes out to handing sentences to Muslims in which case it's "throw the book"

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:18

Madamoiselle said:
Whilst I agree that she should be given a looking over by the men in white suits, it's ironic that cases like this are a miniscule fraction of the rape culture/rape apologism society we live in which destroys the lives of countless more women per year than a few men falsely accused, yet people will rage at things like this and shrug their shoulders at the other.

Complete and utter rubbish, and given you have ran from this thread I guess you have realized your rant received the response it deserved. You say we live in a 'rape culture/rape apologism society' and yet you are posting in relation to a story where a man has had his life ruined purely on the grounds of one woman's statement with no evidence what-so-ever? That sounds like society is the total opposite of what you have stated?

200 hours for destroying two lives (and their families) is disgusting. There should be a law in place that such people are given jail time not community service.

Freakbro · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:22

Madamoiselle said:
Yes, the vast majority of society thinks like that. Search back for the threads on here that cover the topic and the amount of rape apologism is quite disturbing.

For someone with 163 posts, doesn't that smack of a returnee?

The Geezer · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:22

AJK said:
Like I said, that's not a valid reason. Victims should never be discouraged from coming forward, but they aren't being prevented from doing so by blocking the names of the accused from being published in the press.

Innocent, and anonymous (to the press anyway) until proven guilty.

Not sure what you're saying here - what's being in jail got to do with it?

How would a victim of a previous crime know that the perp is accussed of a similar crime unless the press report it. You need to consider that a previous victim was afraid of going it alone against the whole system - Police, Family, Friends, CPS, Defence Barristers, Jury and Press but is more comfortable now that they know they were not alone in the whole circus.

The second part of my response was basically saying there are people who are in jail who have been found guilty of being a rapist. Someone else comes forward and accuses them at later date of rape, the jury may not see beyond his address HMP xxxxxxx and find him guilty regardless of what the evidence says

AJK · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:28

The Geezer said:
How would a victim of a previous crime know that the perp is accussed of a similar crime unless the press report it.

They probably wouldn't, but that's irrelevant. They don't need that information. Everybody should and must be encouraged to come forward when a crime has been committed against them, regardless of whether they think their attacker is already being accused by someone else.

You need to consider that a previous victim was afraid of going it alone against the whole system - Police, Family, Friends, CPS, Defence Barristers, Jury and Press but is more comfortable now that they know they were not alone in the whole circus.

If the system is a "circus" then that's what needs changing. Solve the real problem. Victims should have all the support they need when going through such a traumatic process. But none of that is made any better by the accused having their life destroyed before the case is even properly considered, let alone comes to trial.

The second part of my response was basically saying there are people who are in jail who have been found guilty of being a rapist. Someone else comes forward and accuses them at later date of rape, the jury may not see beyond his address HMP xxxxxxx and find him guilty regardless of what the evidence says.

A very good point. I'm not sure what it has to do with anonymity or otherwise of the accused though. In fact I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with it... I agree that juries can and will be biased by details that should be disregarded in order to hold a fair and independent trial. But honestly, this seems to be a totally different issue.

Madamoiselle · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:29

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Complete and utter rubbish, and given you have ran from this thread I guess you have realized your rant received the response it deserved. You say we live in a 'rape culture/rape apologism society' and yet you are posting in relation to a story where a man has had his life ruined purely on the grounds of one woman's statement with no evidence what-so-ever? That sounds like society is the total opposite of what you have stated?

200 hours for destroying two lives (and their families) is disgusting. There should be a law in place that such people are given jail time not community service.

You miss my point completely, and in doing so just perpetuate the culture that you claim, from your position of privilege obviously, doesn't exist.

aardvark · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:29

Madamoiselle said:
Yes, the vast majority of society thinks like that. Search back for the threads on here that cover the topic and the amount of rape apologism is quite disturbing.

of course they dont, don't be silly. I don't know anyone who has ever expressed such an opinion.
Maybe you just hang around with scumbags - find some better company.

Suarez7 · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:31

She should serve the time he would have been given if convicted of rape. There needs to be a strong message sent out to stop these false claims occurring.

Xordium · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:33

@ Madamoiselle - I note 2 pages go by and you've yet to reply to me. Why did you narrow rape down to be something something experienced by women? That's the thing with all this feminist rape apologist ****. You frame your reference as the western female who get's raped by someone they most likely know. However, you exclude men and you exclude the rest and larger part of the planet where women, men and children fall victim to those who can indulge their whims without fear of punishment because they are the law. So when framing the debate as such and narrowing it down to such absolute criteria may I suggest you check your privilege? Makes you a rape apologist in my eyes.

MoNkeE · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:33

Freakbro said:
For someone with 163 posts, doesn't that smack of a returnee?

I thought he exact same thing!

Madamoiselle · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:40

Unfortunately being constantly jumped upon by every apologist and dudebro on everything I say that doesn't conform to the white cis straight male way of thinking means I keep things at arms length. My point has been made, the apologists wheeled in and did their apologist stuff and most people agreed with them.

GravyMonster · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:44

And there it is! We disagree with your views, so we're obviously all rape apologists.

Well played. GG everyone.

Steedie · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:44

Haha you've got to be trolling

Go burn a bra or something

AJK · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:47

Madamoiselle said:
... the apologists wheeled in and did their apologist stuff and most people agreed with them.

Nonsense.

Maybe if your contribution to this topic had been something more worthy of discussion than the following inflammatory-for-the-sake-of-it statements, people would have been more inclined to hold a sensible discussion with you?

... the rape culture/rape apologism society we live in...

C'mon boys, rape away, they cry for a bit but then everything's ok because people pat them on the head and tell them everything's going to be fine.

Yes, the vast majority of society thinks like that.

BigDannyO · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:48

Madamoiselle said:
Unfortunately being constantly jumped upon by every apologist and dudebro on everything I say that doesn't conform to the white cis straight male way of thinking means I keep things at arms length. My point has been made, the apologists wheeled in and did their apologist stuff and most people agreed with them.

People pull you up on spouting nonsense so they must be "rape apologists", good one.

Yas786 · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:49

Madamoiselle said:
Unfortunately being constantly jumped upon by every apologist and dudebro on everything I say that doesn't conform to the white cis straight male way of thinking means I keep things at arms length. My point has been made, the apologists wheeled in and did their apologist stuff and most people agreed with them.

LOL for a female, i find your views disturbing to say the least, very disturbing.

How you can come to an absurd assumption that majority of people here are rape apologists is truly beyond me.

So i now ask you, what this woman done to this innocent man...is that ok for you?? and is it ok for her to get community service rather than prison time??

realBabelfish · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:54

Madamoiselle said:
Unfortunately being constantly jumped upon by every apologist and dudebro on everything I say that doesn't conform to the white cis straight male way of thinking means I keep things at arms length. My point has been made, the apologists wheeled in and did their apologist stuff and most people agreed with them.

are you winning these conversations in your head? you seen to claim some BS, do a runner for a few hours, come back and claim victory when everyone with a sane mind is thinking 'that crazy cow is off her head'

please list names of the hoards of rape apologists you seem to think have surrounded you.

to me you sound like some kind of militant feminist man hater with schizophrenic tendencies.

nobody is saying that rape is ok. infact ive seen many posts claiming the exact opposite. now, either you fail to grasp this reading and typing lark or you are just dumb.

i havent seen you say that these guys were unfortunate and offered no sympathy at all to them. you use it as an excuse to hate on us men and somehow this is all our fault?!?!

this is a story about 2 innocent men and 1 bat **** crazy women. yet you make out its about a group of men rapining women for wearing short skirts and we are all saying 'yeah, women wearing little, they deserve to be raped' which obviously is just plain false.

Pestilence · 27 Jun 2013 at 14:56

Yas786 said:
LOL for a female, i find your views disturbing to say the least, very disturbing.

How you can come to an absurd assumption that majority of people here are rape apologists is truly beyond me.

So i now ask you, what this woman done to this innocent man...is that ok for you?? and is it ok for her to get community service rather than prison time??

This warrants a straight answer before any more engagement with "Madamoiselle" should even be considered, tbh.

Yas786 · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:00

Pestilence said:
This warrants a straight answer before any more engagement with "Madamoiselle" should even be considered, tbh.

Well im interested in hearing what her answer will be, i just hope its not some convoluted rubbish she comes out with. Just a simple direct yes or no will do.

JonnyT · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:11

Typical pig headed feminist attitude from "Madamoiselle". The rules:

1. My opinion is always right
2. If my opinion is wrong, see rule 1
3. All men are base creatures further down the evolutionary chain than neanderthals, unable to control their urges and incapable of intelligent, reasoned argument and must be patronised and condescended to at every opportunity.