Girl accuses stranger off Facebook of rape
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Strangely enough, I thought of this too when I read that person's posts in other threads.
oh dear we do not mention that place, more loonies dwell in that hole than 4chan
Hence the escapee part.
have you ever read the relationship section, I recommend it for a laugh;
* One post is about a women cheated on by her partner, all the replies are to leave him and its his fault.
* Next post is about a women cheating on her partner, all the replies are to lie to him as its his fault...
* or mummy and daddy didn't treat me like a spoilt prince, I was emotionally abused as a child... No emotionally abused means beeing yelled at every day, told your worthless and having everything you own destroyed..
Nothing quite like feminist logic, I actually physically face palm when some one in power listens to these nutters.
the solution to every single problem in the relationship setion is leave/divorce him.
one for gods sake was "my partner told me he think i'm getting too fat and want's me to get help" replies where 2you should have to put up with that EA (emotional abuse) they use it so often it needed an abbreviation) leave him!".
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My name is magnolia and I am a mumsnetaholic 
It's like a forum for teenage girls who haven't grown up. I keep expecting to "life so unfair" in a whiny teenage voice.
Anyway back on topic, I do believe that every rape victim has a kit which swabs for dna and most go to sketch artists. Why can't these features be used in a weird thing called a database and a suspect tested against this?
Also if people think that rape victims won't go to the police unless a suspect is named, surely that denotes an issue with the police forces image rather thab the social aspect of the country.
You should be treated innocent until proven guilty imho
What on earth are you on about?
False accusations deserve much stronger punishment and all the media attention they are getting. Not only have the lives of these guys been ruined, but the selfish actions of this woman has made it more difficult for people who HAVE been raped to be believed.
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Perhaps it is because it is more newsworthy for there to be a false rape allegation. Sadly rape is nowhere near as uncommon as it should be and the frequency with which it occurs maybe renders it of less interest, an example of a compassion deficit perhaps but it can't be unexpected that events which happen more regularly cease to be reported as much. If a golfer manages to get a hole in one on three successive holes then that's much more notable to most than the fact another golfer got a single hole in one - both events are out of the ordinary but one is much rarer than the other hence the level of interest goes up.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that rape is anything other than a terrible crime. That not everyone treats it in quite the same way you do doesn't make them a rape apologist however.
As far as I'm aware the samples are already tested against a database of people who've previously had their DNA taken. It would probably be more effective if everyone had to give a DNA sample regardless of being suspected of a crime but that raises awkward questions about rights to privacy and the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
One shot destroy after test etc. I know the police would probably forget to delete but has to be better than ruining someone's live by shouting it from the hills
Oh, sorry I thought apologists underplayed, didn't mention and trivialised. Which is what that post did - it didn't mention. You agreed with it 100%. So I took it for what it was - totally representative of what occurs and the fact you trot out the same lines you accuse others of just makes it more ironic.
Anyway is that new poster one of your mates?
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yup, and our gov and police have shown they are 100% trust worthy havent they? no way i would want that as there is too much room for something dodgy to happen.
Well said. I completely agree.
There are women who make false rape allegations, but there are a tiny tiny minority. Most women who make allegations are telling the truth, but they get dismissed and shunned anyway.
Do you know anyone who has come forward about being raped? Rape victims do NOT have the sympathy and empathy of people around them. Since most rapes are committed by people already in the woman's social group - supposed friends or family - this puts her friends in the position of having to choose between her and their other friend. And most times, they say, "well, my friend is a decent chap, he would never rape, so the woman must be lying." Or, "um, this is all rather uncomfortable, let's talk about something else."
The woman very rarely gets support from most of her friends, and because the rapist is still welcomed in her social circle, she often gets isolated from the people she thought were her friends because its too painful to see them. Or she suppresses her pain and stops 'making a fuss'.
The thing is, false accusation of rape affects men far more often than it affects women. Actual rape affects women far more often than it affects men.
In our culture, things which affect men worse than women are considered more important. Most people who read this thread are men. For them, the threat of being accused of rape is something that might actually happen to them, so they care more about it than rape, which is generally thought of as a woman's problem.
Now lets be clear about something: Being falsely accused of rape is NOT as bad as being raped. While both may affect you for a long time, one is clearly worse than the other. So when people say, as has been said in this thread, "women who falsely accuse men of rape should get the same sentence as rapists," they are contributing to rape culture. They are dismissing the experiences of a lot (a LOT) of women, in favour of prioritising something that happens to a tiny number of men.
This distorted perspective, by the way - diminishing those men who have been raped, as well as minimising women, and dealing sensibly with rape accusations - is something feminism would correct. It would help both men and women.
Yes, indeed. This thread itself is evidence of rape culture and rape apologist. One woman makes a claim counter to people's opinions here, and she is jumped on relentlessly. This thread has grown to 6 pages in a few hours, mostly by people not liking their world view being challenged.
Let's be clear: Mademoiselle was NOT saying you (the reader) are a rapist or defender of rapists. She was saying that in society there are a lot of people who do. I've illustrated above how it happens.
But I'm not, either, saying you do that. If you don't, then you can simply shrug and say that's not my experience. And I'd respect that.
But if you instead jump on a woman who makes claims you don't like, and angrily demanding her to answer your specific counter-claims, because your feelings are hurt, is just proving her point. Where do you think your entitlement comes from? The answer is rape culture.
Genuine question: where does this statistic (that "most" women who make a rape allegation are shunned and dismissed) come from?
Again, could you please tell me where this statistic (that "most times", people dismiss rape allegations as lies) comes from?
It's not exactly shocking that men will generally care more about issues which are more likely to affect men, and that women will generally care more about issues more likely to affect women.
That said, it's irrelevant. It's entirely possible to take every accusation of rape seriously and investigate it properly, while maintaining the judicial principle of "innocent until proven guilty" - which, let's be clear, is the only thing that's being suggested.
Both can pretty much destroy your life; why does it matter to what degree? It's precisely because rape is such a horrifying crime that allowing people to be labelled as a rapist before they have been proved guilty of the crime is so horrible.
That's just not true, and a completely ridiculous thing to say. Anyone, man or woman, who falsely accuses someone else of rape is doing two things: (1) seriously harming that person, in various ways; (2) trivialising the damage done to actual victims. Therefore, people who deliberately and willfully falsely accuse (as in the case this topic is discussing) should be punished severely to stop it from happening. Can't we agree that reducing the number of deliberately false accusations can only possibly be a good thing?
She didn't "make a claim counter to people's opinions", she suggested that the entire of society views rape as acceptable (yes she did, if you disagree read her posts again). It was a stupid thing to say, she hasn't backed it up with any kind of evidence or reasoned discussion, and the reason people are angry about it is that the EXACT OPPOSITE IS TRUE. Most of society views rape as abhorrent, and to suggest that we all think it's OK is offensive and bizarre.
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It's shocking how many of my friends and people I know through them have had their ex's threaten them saying they'll cry rape/abuse. Happened to me too.
Never hear of the real ones, either because it didn't happen or they're too scared to say or they keep it private. It's usually the loud ones in my experience which talk complete lies. You say most are telling the thruth, but in my personal experience it's the other way around. Obviously I'm not saying that as if it is all over the world.