For those that say BBC is unbiased

StriderX · 4 Jul 2013 at 23:34

Fox news claims they are unbiased aswell.

Tunney · 4 Jul 2013 at 23:39

groen said:
No the question was if anyone is openly pro capitalism on the bbc. While he may claim to be pro-capitalism the bbc wouldn't give him a chance and therefore he plays the part of the controlled "balanced bbc". Anyway he is a statist by heart and i wouldn't call him a rightist. Id call him a liberal that claims to like capitalism.

How about this list of people? You can't tell me that Paul Lewis isn't pro-capitalism.

anything I don't mind · 5 Jul 2013 at 00:19

StriderX said:
Fox news claims they are unbiased aswell.

To be fair to fox news have had some rightist commentators and even some rightist have had their own shows.

Tunney said:
How about this list of people? You can't tell me that Paul Lewis isn't pro-capitalism.

Those are people that largely read the business news, they are not necessarily pro capitalism. They are journalist who ended up in the business department.

[DOD]Asprilla · 5 Jul 2013 at 07:06

Well this proved that you can't rationalise with someone who didn't arrive at their current position through rational thought.

Meridian · 5 Jul 2013 at 07:12

[DOD]Asprilla;24563666 said:
Well this proved that you can't rationalise with someone who didn't arrive at their current position through rational thought.

I was kinda wondering why anyone was wasting their time trying to engage groen in rational debate.

[DOD]Asprilla · 5 Jul 2013 at 07:20

Meridian said:
I was kinda wondering why anyone was wasting their time trying to engage groen in rational debate.

I'll try anything once.

Tunney · 5 Jul 2013 at 07:26

groen said:
Those are people that largely read the business news, they are not necessarily pro capitalism. They are journalist who ended up in the business department.

So you're going to ignore my suggestion of Paul Lewis then?

Gilly · 5 Jul 2013 at 09:38

groen said:
Sarah Palin? Don't know what that has got to do with the right or me or this discussion. But maybe that explains your misunderstanding of what the right realy is and we can probably thank the bbc for that.

I would never expect a state media organisation to promote the agenda that i want. But the point is that the BBC claim to be unbias and balanced and so on. Which i am claiming that they are not. I am not expecting them to push a rightist view. I am just pointing out that they are leftist and very leftist at that and very bias in that regard.

BIASED

The BBC are probably left of centre, but I wouldn't put them on the far left.

I imagine just left of centre is where the vast majority of the population sits.

Theophany · 5 Jul 2013 at 09:43

Tunney said:
So you're going to ignore my suggestion of Paul Lewis then?

Paul Lewis' crass crusade a few years ago has forever cemented him as another useless hack on the business segment for me. He's barely above Peston or that daft Geordie bint that does the BBC Breakfast business segment.

Freakbro · 5 Jul 2013 at 09:59

Theophany said:
He's barely above Peston

He's definitely a bit odd

or that daft Geordie bint that does the BBC Breakfast business segment.

And she is a bit strange too, they do pick 'em

[DOD]Asprilla · 5 Jul 2013 at 10:11

Freakbro said:
And she is a bit strange too, they do pick 'em

She's from Middlesbrough, what do you expect?

Gilly · 5 Jul 2013 at 10:26

That's not a Geordie :/

(as I'm sure you know)

[DOD]Asprilla · 5 Jul 2013 at 10:28

Gilly said:
That's not a Geordie :/

(as I'm sure you know)

Being a Geordie and all, yes. However, she's from Boro, or at least raised there, the accent stands out a mile if you are from that neck of the woods.

Gilly · 5 Jul 2013 at 10:29

Ruddy smoggies!

elmarko · 5 Jul 2013 at 10:38

Gilly said:
BIASEDI imagine just left of centre is where the vast majority of the population sits.

I've seen some evidence of this.

Person A mentions they vote for party X, you then speak about specifics & it turns out they should really be voting for party Y.

Also, the political compass is a great example, most people end up being more left than they expect (mostly because a large part of left-wing ideology is actually pretty reasonable stuff, like ideas of social equality, equal opportunities etc).

anything I don't mind · 5 Jul 2013 at 10:56

Whats wrong with middlesbrough? My dad side is from there.

How am i not being rational. The bbc is biased and they are LEFT not left center or left this or that, LEFTIST to the core. In fact that they are actively against the right and the BBC is anti-capitalist. Just because they are forced by legislation to read business news does not mean that the ethos and the majority of the employees and guests are anti-capitalist leftist. The bbc promotes marxism and anti-capitalism. The state media promotes the labour party over other parties very openly.

Gilly · 5 Jul 2013 at 11:01

Every man and his dog should be against the right though, so how is that a bad thing?

I don't think being anti far-right is necessarily anti-capitalist though.

anything I don't mind · 5 Jul 2013 at 11:02

Well it depends on how you define the right, if you define the right like the BBC defines the right then i agree it would be wise to be against it. But if you define the right as pro capitalism and liberty and less government and so on then the right is actually far better than the anti-capitalist socialism that the bbc manipulates everyone in the country to believe.

Gilly · 5 Jul 2013 at 11:06

You think right wing = liberty?

[DOD]Asprilla · 5 Jul 2013 at 11:12

groen said:
Whats wrong with middlesbrough? My dad side is from there.

How am i not being rational. The bbc is biased and they are LEFT not left center or left this or that, LEFTIST to the core. In fact that they are actively against the right and the BBC is anti-capitalist. Just because they are forced by legislation to read business news does not mean that the ethos and the majority of the employees and guests are anti-capitalist leftist. The bbc promotes marxism and anti-capitalism. The state media promotes the labour party over other parties very openly.

You aren't being rational because you are saying that people who are very definitely pro-capitalist are not. Doing this undermines your own argument.

You are also making sweeping statements about the employees of the organisation without any knowledge of those employees and you are espousing your opinions based on these assumption as fact.

This is not rational behaviour.

Go to Boro, breath the sweet, sweet air of capitalist industry and see unemployment, poverty and lack or prospects and tell me what is right with it. It's a town that can't even spell it's own name.