Killers' life terms 'breached their human rights'
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You formulate all your opinions on what helps you? Really?
My view against the death penalty comes from two main strands: the firstly is simply that I think it is unacceptable for the state to kill innocent people and there's no question that this will happen if the death penalty exists, the second is that I believe that the primary purpose of the justice system must be rehabilitation; the death penalty on the other hand is the starkest example of the mindset that people who commit crimes are irredeemably evil. While there are, doubtless, people who can never be rehabilitated into society there is no way to know who those people are or define them based on the crime they commit.
The rights of victims are enshrined in human rights law, too.
The whole point of human rights is that the opinion of the general public doesn't matter. They're the finest antithesis of mob-justice.
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You formulate all your opinions on what helps you? Really?
Thanks for the update.
Yeah, I base all of my decisions and opinions around whether I will get any benefit. I consider it irrational to do otherwise.
In this instance, I pay extra tax so that human garbage can commit crimes and then be supported by the state. Seems a waste to me. Doing away with them is far more intelligent.
Good move, now can we just remove maximum sentences and base it all on rehabilitation and not arbitrary numbers and public wanting revenge. It doesn't in the slightest mean they will be released.
Like the Norway laws, has to be reviewed and decided on after every x-number of years, doesn't mean they'll ever be let out.
Like the Norway laws, has to be reviewed and decided on after every x-number of years, doesn't mean they'll ever be let out.
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I'm with capital punishment if it's straight up pre-meditated murder, but not by hanging. It's a little barbaric.
Revenge has no place in law.
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One wonders how much longer the Liberal Democrats will stand by their promise to defend the Human Rights act which along with a couple of other conventions we have signed up for means Britain is obliged to bow down to the rulings this ECOHR. Headlines like this put them in a difficult position and with Nick Clegg will only marginalise himself (more so then he already has with the electorate at large) by continuing to defend it.
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People who oppose human rights aren't likely to vote Liberal Democrat anyway.
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It's just not. Your human rights exist as long as you are human, which all humans will forever be.
The fact that some people live outside of what we define as acceptable does not make them any less human.
Absolutely ******* ridiculous argument.
/Fist bump.
Yes you're right it is to barbaric. How about we buy old sparky from Florida?
If not then it's down to just shooting them in the head. I am against giving them death by lethal injection.
Thats the sort of ridiculous nit picking that gets us to these sort of stupid decisions. Everyones human therefore everyone should enjoy human rights no matter what their actions. So what about freedom of movement for prisoners? Liberty?
At some point you have to say that if someone places themselves out of the construct of society - and it is a construct not an inalienable human right as you can see in places like Syria currently - then why should they continue to enjoy those benefits that people who conform to the rules and limits do? Saying 'well theyre human too!' is a cop out. If i just believe in a religion that watches other humans burn you cant stop me because its against my human rights - my right to bear arms, my right of freedom of religious beliefs yadda yadda.
Retribution and Revenge are not the same thing.
As it serves zero benefit to anyone. It gets in the way of actually lowering crime rates. It costs, it doesn't help victims or the general population.
It is certainly not civilised. It's a total waste of time.
Should be based on two things, keeping public safe and rehabilitation where/if possible.
No point releasing people if there's a high chance of reoffending.
People are so caught up on the idea of revenge, we can't actually improve this co try and lower crimes. Been showen by many countries how to lower crimes and increase rehabilitation, but people are more worried about revenge even though it creates more victims. It's totally absurd.
Did you even read the link?
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