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[LordSplodge]

Do you understand qaulcom 800. Is th best arm available so no one. Is going to release anything higher than that, as that's the best.
So no, it's you ignoring what is available to oems to put inside tablets.

There are lots of ARM SoC, the Qualcomm 800 being one of them, the A6X another.

Now that's out of the way what, you are still comparing a product that doesn't yet exist (your fantasy Windows 8 tablet) to ones that doe exist.

The Apple fans can't wait for it to happen; constantly speculating whether iOS vNext will include proper multi-tasking support. So much so there are even kids writing hacks for jailbroken devices to enable something close to what they want.

Yeah, that's what Apple devices owners want. A clunky multiple app on the screen system. They don't want what attracted them to Apple in the first place; the ease of use, stable software and so forth.

You appear to be confused about what multi-tasking means from an OS point of view. I've already said that Andorid and iOS already multitask.

Really the onus is on YOU to provide citations that the demand for this doesn't exist. As that there is the more outlandish stance here.

Erm, no it isn't. I've linked to data showing the growth of tablet sales. This growth is still rising, so that proves that the demand for multiple apps on a tablet screen isn't a big enough demand. The Surface RT sales shows this (because out of the three this one can do that)

 

[Glaucus]

Which tablet has a snapdragon 800 in it? So no I'm not comparing future devices with current. There's what two phones that have the snapdragon 800 in it.

I'm well aware there's lots, but the 800 is the daddy, it's the best and fastest and ther is no new ones that's will beat it on the horizon.

So yet again no you are very much wrong.

And it's not my dream device as it doesn't run x86 apps. Haswell tablet is what I'm after.
It's also not a dream, it is extremely likely what the surface rt2 will run from several leaked bits of info.

 

[NathanE]

Yeah, that's what Apple devices owners want. A clunky multiple app on the screen system. They don't want what attracted them to Apple in the first place; the ease of use, stable software and so forth.

No of course they don't want that clunky piece of crap. They want something, presumably, more closer to what is in Win8 Metro.

You appear to be confused about what multi-tasking means from an OS point of view. I've already said that Andorid and iOS already multitask.

They do multi-tasking through task switching, and we don't need you to tell us that. Whilst that is one form of multi tasking it is the least useful. That's not what we're talking about here and you know it. Why are you turning this into a big scene with unnecessary pedantry?

Erm, no it isn't. I've linked to data showing the growth of tablet sales. This growth is still rising, so that proves that the demand for multiple apps on a tablet screen isn't a big enough demand. The Surface RT sales shows this (because out of the three this one can do that)

I'm not seeing any correlation at all. How on earth can you say that? Because tablet growth is amazing this means there is no remaining issues like multi-tasking to be solved. Erm okay... if you say so. It should have been obvious that what I'm saying is that the amazing growth would be even more amazing if these tablet offerings solved some of these outstanding issues. Multi-tasking is just one. Better USB peripheral support is another big one.

Surface RT sales are rubbish because of bad marketing and an app store that started off a little barren. Microsoft made some big mistakes in how they took those products to market. People aren't rejecting W8 tablets because of any underlying faults with them or because they have features that they don't want. They're rejecting them because for months the only advert Microsoft put on TV was some bizarre thing involving dancers, click clacking their Surface prop stands and building some sort of transformer robot like thing out of them on a park bench. It was such an appalling advert that it should have been pulled within a week of airing. That was just the tip of the iceberg of the mistakes they made in bringing it to market.

 

[LordSplodge]

Which tablet has a snapdragon 800 in it? So no I'm not comparing future devices with current. There's what two phones that have the snapdragon 800 in it.

I'm well aware there's lots, but the 800 is the daddy, it's the best and fastest and ther is no new ones that's will beat it on the horizon.

So yet again no you are very much wrong.

And it's not my dream device as it doesn't run x86 apps. Haswell tablet is what I'm after.
It's also not a dream, it is extremely likely what the surface rt2 will run from several leaked bits of info.

So you are comparing a tablet that doesn't exist versus another one that doesn't exist now? No wonder I'm getting confused. Compare oranges to oranges, please. Right now you have the Nexus/Samsung series, the Kindle Fire series, the IPad and the Surface. The iPad being the run away success, the Surface being one that supports more than one onscreen app. Clearly, going by sales rates people don't want that feature (it's what started this debate)

Raw specs of a SoC don't mean much. The software does, and better coded software on a lesser spec'd SoC can make the difference.

As for your dream tablet running x86 code, why? X86 code is old and not designed for the mobile market. That's why nearly all the current tablets don't use x86 but Arm. If you need x86 code and the often heavyweight style applications that come with it then a desktop or laptop makes much more sense.

I certainly wouldn't want to do video editing, for example, on a tablet.

 

[Glaucus]

I have compared now with now, and have stated many reasons why the surface doesn't stack up. Old components with high price.
So yeah I've done that, the only reason you're getting confused is you can't accept it and like arguing for the sake of it. Likes on the high resolution. Like on the s800 despite it not being in any tablets of any sort or saying there's other arm processors, well duh' of course there are, doesn't make them the most powerful does it.

When ipad new2 (or what ever they call it), next nexus 10 (or similar) and surface RT2 are released they will al be virtually identical specs and on par with each other, unlike now. That will leave the differentiator being the OS, ecosystem and advertising/marketshare.

Why to x86 as developers have not got on bored with ios/android/win8 metro, I want one device to do everything. If I could do that on arm, great, but I can't. Game developers have not jumped on bored for example.there are some glimpse that this will start taking off several game engines have now been officially ported to windows metro.

And no that's not the reason arm has the current mobile market.
That's becuase x86 CPUs were never deisgn for mobile market place, baytrial and haswell are both very much designed for the mobile market and expect intels marketshare in mobile devices to start to increase.

Why wouldn't you want to do video editing on a tablet.

 

[LordSplodge]

They do multi-tasking through task switching, and we don't need you to tell us that. Whilst that is one form of multi tasking it is the least useful. That's not what we're talking about here and you know it. Why are you turning this into a big scene with unnecessary pedantry?

Gotcha! You don't even know the difference between multi-tasking* and task switching. You've mistaken my technically accuracy for pedantry.

And if you cannot see how astromicaly tablet sales, that will soon outgrow the traditional PC markets shows that running multiple apps onscreen clearly isn't an issue then there isn't anymore point in debating with you.

* Amazing how the music players on iOS and Android keep playing when you're in another app, isn't it? I mean for devices that don't support multitasking.

 

[Glaucus]

That is not true multitasking, taht is severa Apis. Not everything can be run in the back ground. Yet again you get your teeth on one end of the scale. Multitasking on iOS is extremely limited and locked down. You can by no means run anything you want in the backdown.

 

[LordSplodge]

I have compared now with now, and have stated many reasons why the surface doesn't stack up.

Have you? Where, because I must have missed that.

When ipad new2 (or what ever they call it), next nexus 10 (or similar) and surface RT2 are released they will al be virtually identical specs and on par with each other, unlike now. That will leave the differentiator being the OS, ecosystem and advertising/marketshare.

On pure specs tablets that are already ahead of the iPad (quad core versus dual core, for example) yet what tops the sales charts? I doubt very much that the next generation of tablets will be identical when it comes to hardware specs (I'd put money on the A7 not having as much grunt as whatever the others use) but you are right, the ecosystem will be what differentiates.

That means unless there is a truly massive market share gain by MS, that come Q4 the competition will be between Android and iOS.

Why to x86 as developers have not got on bored with ios/android/win8 metro, I want one device to do everything. If I could do that on arm, great, but I can't. Game developers have not jumped on bored for example.there are some glimpse that this will start taking f several game engines have now been officially ported to windows metro.

One device to do everything is where Microsoft is going wrong. Windows 8 is worse than Windows 7 for computer users. 90% of people don't have a touchscreen laptop or PC. And even if they do, a touchscreen isn't designed for prolonged computer usage in a desktop/laptop environment. Nor is having difficult to hit touch targets useful (I.e 99% of traditional x86 apps) - apps need be designed for touch, this forces a certain form factor. One that isn't useful for a lot of applications.

Plenty of games are on Arm now. The Unreal Engine runs very, very well on iOS for example.

By the way, is your keyboard broken?

 

[Glaucus]

Way complete and utter Bs, in no way is win8 worse than w7. In now way do you need a touchscreen and in no way is Ms or anyone saying to use a touchscreen constantly.

As I've said in other threads lets come back and see what the market share is like in 4 or 5 years.

Win8 tablets will be direct competion in the new gen. Unlike ATM, that doesn't mean they will suddenly gain massive marketshare.

The new ipad might have slightly less grunt, but it will be in the same ball park, as well all the top end tablets. There will of course be differences but they are comparable unlike the win8 tablets against the current ipad/android. Where the android/ipad are in the same ballpark.

And no, plenty of games aren't on iOS or android. Rubbish basic time killer games are.
As I said several engines are now available that doesn't mean you can get the games.

 

[LordSplodge]

That is not true multitasking, taht is severa Apis. Not everything can be run in the back ground. Yet again you get your teeth on one end of the scale. Multitasking on iOS is extremely limited and locked down. You can by no means run anything you want in the backdown.

Yes not everything can run in the background permanently in iOS. This is a sacrifice for extending battery life. If people don't like that there is the alternative of Android. However, both iOS and Android multitask perfectly well (within limitations imposed by both platforms)

Different from running multiple applications onscreen though. Android and iOS can both do that (as shown above for iOS but Android has similar tweaks) but where is the demand for this? Sales figures show that the only tablet that does currently support multiple apps onscreen is not doing very well compared to those that don't offer this.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

 

[Glaucus]

Yet again comparing something that was released less than a year ago (it takes time to build marketshare) as well as over price, under specced and the ecosystem. As evidence for lack of want. Really? It is a stupid thing to say.

If demand didnt exist, why is there jail breaking and tweaks.

 

[LordSplodge]

Way complete and utter Bs, in no way is win8 worse than w7. In now way do you need a touchscreen and in no way is Ms or anyone saying to use a touchscreen constantly.

As I've said in other threads lets come back and see what the market share is like in 4 or 5 years.


And no, plenty of games aren't on iOS or android. Rubbish basic time killer games are.
As I said several engines are now available that doesn't mean you can get the games.

Everybody I know who has a Windows PC/Laptop running Windows 8 really dislikes it. However on a UX/UI point it doesn't even need opinion. Touch alters the form of an app. A lot of x86 apps will never be suited to touch yet MS are forcing the issue rather than keeping the best bits of Windows 8 in a desktop version and putting all the good touch bits in a tablet.

I may well eat my words in four or five years. I don't think so but...

Plenty of larger, more "PC" like games on tablets. grand Theft Auto being on iOS for example. There's even full on FPS games that are only on tablets.

 

[Glaucus]

You will eat your words. You really thing the best course is to split the Eco system. lmAO. MS is in it for the longterm and they are very much right to do so.

People who dislike w8 really are idiots on the most part. Even if you dislike Metro (which is odd, as there's plenty of apps that give a far better experience than the desktop experience, netflix, audible, news apps etc) you can very happily sit in the desktop where pretty much zero on the face value has changed, with loads of back end improvments.

Tablets are forecast to outsell pcs in 2015, coporations are increasingly embracing tablet and smartphones and an essential tool. You need one system to effectively use it. That is win8 and its successors.
Trouble is to many people hate change and only look 1 day in to the future. Just like MS did they got caught short before and didnt anticipate the mobile market. They however learnt from that mistake and have for seen the future of one platform multiple formfactors. Win8 doesn't realise this dream, it's the first step. Eventually apps will be programmed once and run on all form factors.

Yeah old cut down versions, hardly full pc games.

 

[LordSplodge]

If demand didnt exist, why is there jail breaking and tweaks.

19.5 million iPads where sold in Q1 of 2013 alone. How many of those are jail broken? Out of those how many are running the tweak that allows for multiple apps onscreen?

I can't find a source for number of jail broken iPads but I'm better out of all the iPads in existence it isn't that high. Number of those running the tweak? Even less.

So "demand" may exist amongst those geeky enough to JB and then install the tweak. That's not really going to translate to sales demands though, is it?

 

[Glaucus]

Or it's only geeky people who want to violate terms and conditions and now enough to do it.

Again your reasoning is lacking. What you suggest is not evidence.

 

[LordSplodge]

You will eat your words. You really thing the best course is to split the Eco system. lmAO. MS is in it for the longterm and they are very much right to do so.

I will? Can I borrow your crystal ball?

People who dislike w8 really are idiots on the most part.

Ok, I'll explain to the computer professionals and other educated, computer literate people I know that hate Windows 8 that they're idiots.

Tablets are forecast to outsell pcs in 2015, coporations are increasingly embracing tablet and smartphones and an essential tool.

This year, actually (see my data above) and corporations are, indeed, embracing tablets. Alas, not Windows ones! MS does have an opportunity here, as Google nd Apple aren't concerned about Enterprise customers (although we use iPads and iPhones at work with no problems)

Yeah old cut down versions, hardly full pc games.

To some extent but there's also full on FPS games, as well as other "full" games that only exist for tablets.

 

[LordSplodge]

Or it's only geeky people who want to violate terms and conditions and now enough to do it.

Again your reasoning is lacking. What you suggest is not evidence.

MS have advertised the 'snap' feature in Windows 8/RT enough. So if non-geeks did want that they'd be buying the Surface Pro or RT. They aren't.

That's evidence that people don't want that feature. Perfectly sound reasoning.

 

[Glaucus]

Trust me, pc games don't exist on any tablets ATM. There's a few basic cut down games.
If I could I would have games I stalled on my ipad2, but I haven't got any installed as they are all rubbish. Well angry birds and zombie plat ones are good, but limited life span.

Now if developers especially indies jumped on the wagon, I would happily get arm/atom over a haswell tablet due to battery life. But allas ATM, it's not an option.

 

[Glaucus]

MS have advertised the 'snap' feature in Windows 8/RT enough. So if non-geeks did want that they'd be buying the Surface Pro or RT. They aren't.

That's evidence that people don't want that feature. Perfectly sound reasoning.

This is how stupid your reasoning is. It does not show that at all.
All it shows is they prefer ipad/android. It in now way shows why. You can have a good guess though market image, advertising, availability
, the number game specs and off course price.

In no way can you link that to one feature. If you could I would have had a windows tablet by now, but oh wait I don't, and yet I really really really want true multitasking and x86 compatability.

 

[LordSplodge]

Trust me, pc games don't exist on any tablets ATM. There's a few basic cut down games.
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Oh really?

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