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Sorry if this has been covered already but did a quick search and couldnt find anything so here goes. Does anyone know if the headset port on the controller is a standard 3.5mm? Would i be able to plug in any headphones and use them? Better yet if they have an in line mic use that also?
 
insane200 said:
Their prices are in guidelines of the RRP, people see to forget that Highstreet shops have to pay high street rates to rent the properties which is not cheap.

For companies like Amazon and Asda its just a side line, they make a few quid for doing nothing which is easy, and why they do it, once they finish pushing other places out of towns, they will have no one to compete with and the prices will no doubt be back to normal.
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they will have to compete with other online retailers? ;)

i do know shops cannot compete but that is an issue for the government, ideally rates need to be scrapped if they want to save the high street and create jobs and boost the economy.

basically there is sooooooooo many different taxes and bills to pay margins have been squeezed so tight that there is no point in a lot of stores opening up because it is impossible to make a decent profit, that is why they are closing down.

VAT has also been increased which doesn't really help either imo. games which cost £39.99 still cost £39.99 but now the retailer has to give more of that £39.99 to the government than before.

basically if all physical retailers shut down, it would be no big loss, we could still use online retailers who all compete between themselves to keep prices low.

if digital content became cheaper a lot of those online retailers wouldnt go bust because it isnt their main line.

like i said before i cannot see a single good reason why digital content isnt a hell of a lot cheaper than what it is right now.

sony do not need game to survive. at the end of the day game is a middle man, cut out that middle man and sell the games directly for cheaper means more money for sony.
 
TheVoice said:
Games retail is worth millions to these companies, they're not just going to shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well, we'll just have to sell more heart-rate monitors/baked beans/whatever-the-hell instead".



What?! Retail presence for games is as important to the retailers as it is to Sony, MS, Nintendo and all the publishers. There's a lot of mutually-beneficial relationships between those companies and retailers because without them, their product simply won't sell as well.


But the market would drop as a result. Demand for consoles and games isn't an absolute figure; the more places they can be bought, the more are sold. A lot of games are bought on impulse; people go into town, look around, fancy a game, see one they like, they buy it. You remove games from those locations and fewer games will be bought.

This is going round in circles, all of this stuff has been said already.
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Yes but its all rubbish mostly, so what, retail dies, what does Sony care?
Impulse, you mean I have to go into town so on impulse I might buy a game... but you don't think having the price of everything on the PSN store so I have to do nothing but see the adverts when I turn on the games console to be tempted into an impulse buy?

What an absolutely ludicrous suggestion, Steam sale, read the thread, impulse buying at its worst(99% of the people in steam sale threads are buying anything in between a handful and 100's of games they will never, ever play... because its a good price). Reducing the price of things they can advertise as you navigate menu's would drastically increase impulse buying AND give them a larger profit for the same price. As for retailers, again because impulse buying is a ludicrous myth, Sony have no vested interest in places like HMV surviving or not. If all their gamers can get a console cheaper online, and can order their games via Amazon and/or via PSN then likely the exact same number of sales will occur.

This isn't 1990, people don't only buy consoles if they spot them in the local store. Better pricing of games = more sales, thats as simple as it gets, digital is cheaper and there is zero reason to protect the retail stores. If Sony get 4 billion from PSN or 4 billion from 10k different retailers, they couldn't give a crap.

One of the very simple reasons they keep digital sales high, is the same reason Apple price their crap through the roof... because people are buying anyway.

Why have a particular game available for £15 on Amazon, and £15 on PSN, when they can charge £30 on PSN and a few thousand people will just get it because they can't be arsed to wait, or hate amazon, or like digital downloads. For every idiot that has no patience or just prefers digital they make more money and because of these people prices don't come down.

The market has 100% of the power, if people stopped buying Apple phones at £400, completely, Apple would drop the prices, and people could buy them at £200, but people can't help themselves, its insane. If no one bought gpu's when AMD or Nvidia whack the prices up, they'd bring the prices back down, but people still buy so the prices stay.

Sony and Steam and MS won't drop their digital sale prices till the customers refuse to buy, if they refused as a whole the prices would come down, its really that simple. The few products that people have refused to purchase because a company was taking the pee.... the price comes down.
 
jessery said:
Sorry if this has been covered already but did a quick search and couldnt find anything so here goes. Does anyone know if the headset port on the controller is a standard 3.5mm? Would i be able to plug in any headphones and use them? Better yet if they have an in line mic use that also?
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Looks 3.5mm to me, but it'll only be for voice I would have thought, can't see them using it for game sounds and such
 
biron_w said:
Pretty sure it's down to retailers kicking up a fuss if publishers put games on sale cheaper than retail.
Really publishers should say "look,we're allowing you to sell on used games the same as before so you'll still ridiculous amounts of money from them and we'll get nothing back. As a result we're going to sell digital games cheaper than disc based" Or something like that.
Retailers needs publishers just as much as publishers need retailers.
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Publishers don't have the right to dictate whether shops can sell second hand copies of games.

Of course they get nothing from second hand sales, there's no logical reason why they should.

They exhaust their rights of control of copies of after the first sale of it.
 
manic111 said:
But on the other hand, the vast majority of cost in producing a game is in the costs of R and D, staff, office space, etc. Discs, cases, manuals etc can't contribute to more than £2-3 per game.
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Digital copies SHOULD be cheaper firstly because there are no manufacturing costs, and secondly, the people along the chain of distribution are removed.

So developers or publishers receive a much larger cut from a digital sale than they would from a retail sale.

The publisher or developer depending on the situation would typically see about £8~ or so from the sale of a £40 at retail compared to more like £30 for a digital download.
 
HAz said:
Don't you think our county needs less of these foreign company's abusing our tax system?
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Do you understand that if these tax abusing companies disappeared overnight, they'd leave a massive hole in the economy?

This is something people tend to ignore when they want to have a moan about companies and the tax they pay.

Despite all the tax that they legally avoid, they are still paying a crap load of tax and generating a crapload more. eg, VAT, all the tax their employees pay due to working for them.

I wish people would stop moaning about this when they don't understand it at all.
 
jessery said:
Sorry if this has been covered already but did a quick search and couldnt find anything so here goes. Does anyone know if the headset port on the controller is a standard 3.5mm? Would i be able to plug in any headphones and use them? Better yet if they have an in line mic use that also?
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that would be a no, it has some sort of dual conection. looks like a 2.5mm jack and some sort of slot connector with it.

http://www.gameshampoo.com/magazine/images/DS4_2.jpg

No hotlinking!
 
dont forget its a mic and ear piece not just a set of headphones, hopefully there will be some nice 3rd party cans+mic out for it.
 
I don't like how flat the surface area is that holds the button and the d-pad, it's not aesthetically pleasing.

The end of the controller reminds of those gloves you get that has a special fabric on the end to use a smart phone.
 
anticonscience said:
I don't like how flat the surface area is that holds the button and the d-pad, it's not aesthetically pleasing.

The end of the controller reminds of those gloves you get that has a special fabric on the end to use a smart phone.
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Some have referred to those end bits as looking like a penis... :o
 
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