Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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ONESHOTKILL said:
if rvp gets injured i wouldn't be confident in those players getting us enough goals.Hernandez scored some important goals for us last season but i don't think he is anywhere near same quality as rooney and rvp.Wellbeck i see as more of a wide player,he puts in allot of work and good at holding up the ball but not the best infront of goal
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Hernandez had the 4th highest goal scoring rate for minutes played across Europe last season, Messi and Ronaldo were one and two.

So I wouldn't worry too much, especially as he brought the best out of RVP (both before and after his blip.)

Edit: This was from players with more than 10 appearances too.
 
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As a poacher, Hernandez is absolutely top notch, if you get a proper creative midfield behind him, he'd bang them in for fun.
 
City look to have signed Negredo pending a medical, heard hes meant to be pretty good. Looks like Pellegrini is trying to get as many spanish players into City:p.

Hearing rumours of Napoli now looking at Higuain :/, was really hoping that Arsenal were using Suarez as a means to get Higuain but now looking more likely that Arsenal want Suarez rather than Higuain...this troubles me greatly as Suarez is just too much of a loose cannon and unless Wenger thinks he can sort his attitude out, then its a transfer that just does not make any sense.
Also Napoli look to be after Julio Cesar but iirc they only want him on a loan whereas QPR want to sell him to get him off the wages. Honestly Arsenal should be signing Cesar, such an awesome keeper even though hes getting on a bit age wise but he was out of this world in the Confed Cup a month ago. He wouldnt cost the earth in transfer fees and i dont think he would want stupid wages either. Plus he would be an excellent mentor to Chessers and Fabianski as well.

Arsenal just so damn fustrating seeing them deal in the transfer window, im hoping Wenger has some serious signings up his sleeve or next season we will struggle to get 4th and find that Wilshere, Carzola, Koscielny and a few other players want out :(.
 
NokkonWud said:
You're disagreeing with the facts that Anderson played a number 10 role at his last two clubs and Cleverley did it for our reserves and Watford?.
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Just because Anderson could do it at that level 5 years ago, has no relation at all whether he could do it at Utd now (and I personally think he isn't capable of doing anything worthwhile at Utd these days for anything like a full season).

Cleverley needs to concerntrate on getting a CM position nailed down (in cup games and vs lower EPL competitors). Good substitute option but not a primary choice starter currently.

NokkonWud said:
We already have a better finisher in Hernandez (better ratio last season and worked well with RVP) and a better player in RVP. Kagawa is also a natural number 10 when Rooney isn't.
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Chicharito I agree with, Kagawa played a number of games for BD as a false No 10 as well which he was great at ( I seem to recall)


NokkonWud said:
I have no doubt he'll be a better player when he's more motivated at another club, but the performances he put in for us will not be missed.
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FrankJH said:
Just because Anderson could do it at that level 5 years ago, has no relation at all whether he could do it at Utd now (and I personally think he isn't capable of doing anything worthwhile at Utd these days for anything like a full season).
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Oh I know, but I'm not saying he would play there, certainly not all the time, but in the terms of options, it is an option and Anderson does do a good job there when he plays.

We can, and Moyes often does, play one player up top, so having 3 natural forwards, a number 10 and both Cleverley and Anderson as possible further backups is what I was getting at. We're not overly short, not as much as people make out.

Further to that we have Adnan, Powell and Petrucci who can all play a little higher up than CM.

FrankJH said:
Cleverley needs to concerntrate on getting a CM position nailed down (in cup games and vs lower EPL competitors). Good substitute option but not a primary choice starter currently.
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I think he's been awful for us, but when he played in a higher role in the reserves and at Watford he looked a superstar in the making.

The one thing that worries me about Cleverley is that he's not as young as people think he is, or like to make out. It's not like he's a 19 year old making these core errors that can be ironed out. He has to improve massively over last season.

FrankJH said:
Chicharito I agree with, Kagawa played a number of games for BD as a false No 10 as well which he was great at ( I seem to recall)
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Kagawa played a full number 10 role off Lewandowski. He was originally behind Goetze, but when he got injured Kagawa stepped up and had an incredible season, outperforming him and that became his position in the team.

He's still quite a junior to the national Japanese team because Honda plays ahead of him in that role based on seniority, even though he's a better player.

Kagawa is a natural number 10 and having him in there would provide assists and goals. Hopefully we get another quick thinking, quick passing player to help him. Someone like Fabregas would be absolutely ideal when you think about playing styles.

Playing him out on the left absolutely wastes what he has.
 
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Probably finalising the deal for Guaray or Marquinios I would think. We are very good at buying defenders. Few teams are as talented.
 
fez said:
Probably finalising the deal for Guaray or Marquinios I would think. We are very good at buying defenders. Few teams are as talented.
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Garay, maybe, but assuming those rumours are true it's been in the pipeline for months so why would he suddenly need to return for it?

Marquinhos is going to PSG according to almost everywhere as far as I know
 
Shamikebab said:
It's not really goals we need from midfield, it's confidence on the ball and creativity moving up the pitch.
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This was Kagawas issue last season though. We have a mish mash of players. The whole team had no real purpose or style to the way we played. The number of times Rooney and Kagawa were caught out because no one bothered to help them was pathetic. It felt like Fergie kept the same style of play as the past few seasons and chucked Kagawa into the mix because he is good.

If you put iniesta into the United team he would struggle without tactical changed. Skilful players who operate in tight areas need to have other players in the right places or they look rubbish. The reason Barca have been thoroughly pasted by some top teams lately is because their opposition have closed the spaces down quicker than Barca can make them.
 
fez said:
Probably finalising the deal for Guaray or Marquinios I would think. We are very good at buying defenders. Few teams are as talented.
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I hope not. We already have a calamitous defender in Smalling, last thing we need is another one in Garay. Better options out there.
 
fez said:
This was Kagawas issue last season though. We have a mish mash of players. The whole team had no real purpose or style to the way we played. The number of times Rooney and Kagawa were caught out because no one bothered to help them was pathetic. It felt like Fergie kept the same style of play as the past few seasons and chucked Kagawa into the mix because he is good.
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Yeah Fergie quite frankly was an old dog that couldn't learn new tricks. Kagawa was a good signing but Fergie just didn't have a clue how to use him. 'stick him out left' was not what was needed. The number of times Kagawa took up a great position and wanted the ball into feet and we were ponderously moving the ball around...
 
NokkonWud said:
Thirdly, people are talking about Man Utd needing to replace Rooney, not strictly true. We have 3 forwards in RVP, Hernandez and Welbeck, plus a natural, top class number 10 in Kagawa. Further to that Cleverley played there for the reserves and Watford and Anderson for both Santos and Porto. There are options, personally I'd rather us spend the money on midfielders.
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Just, no. Say RVP gets injured, Hernandez cannot lead the line consistently on his own. He just cant do that. What happens if you need to sub him?

Welbeck, he is no where near and i'll reiterate that NO WHERE NEAR being a top striker. Give me a Lukaku, or a Sturridge any day of the week over this guy. He's all legs and no football, i'm afraid.


Anderson is the only decent player out of those you mentioned. I'd like him to be attacking but he just cant finish. But talking of finishing, zOMG Cleverley, dis guy, he;s worse than Welbeck in that respect that he has no clue at all. He's not a terribad player, but suggesting he can do anything in and around their box is a disaster waiting to happen. He is simply miles away from being an Oscar etc.

Kagawa, showed absolutely zero last season. Nothing of note except one hattrick against someone. Hell, even Dirk Kuyt scored a HT against UTD. these things can happen to the worst of players. Lets draw a line under what you perceive to have happened in Germany. it doesn't always translate straight into English im afraid.

in a midfielder who's attacking a lone striker, they need goals, im talking banging 15 + a season, otherwise it wont work out. And none of those midfielders are hitting 15 in the league any time soon.

So yea...When we won the CL in 1999 we had 4 strikers, Yorke, Cole, Solskjaer, Sheringham. That's what it takes, 4 good players. Not RVP and 2 others.

So yes, if we sell rooney, buying a new striker must be a priority. But then we already need at least 2 central midfielders who are also a priority, so we have really 3 players we need to buy if we sell rooney.
 
Shamikebab said:
Yeah Fergie quite frankly was an old dog that couldn't learn new tricks. Kagawa was a good signing but Fergie just didn't have a clue how to use him. 'stick him out left' was not what was needed. The number of times Kagawa took up a great position and wanted the ball into feet and we were ponderously moving the ball around...
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This is my issue with Carrick. I know he had a good season last year but I just hate his style of play. Some of what he does is great but he is so scared of passing the ball with pace over 20 yards in the middle of the pitch.

When the opposition knows that you want a 10m gap around a player before you pass to them, they can be lazy and lax in the middle. Look at how the german teams play. They are confident in their passing and will push defences and midfields to commit themselves and work hard because gaps are being created all the time.

Once you have seen a few attacks started when you felt you were safe in the midfield, teams start to panic and get pushed back. I saw it happen to us on numerous occasions last year simple because the opposition gained a bit of confidence and played passes between our midfield to penetrate. When the whole team knows that the midfield won't take risks or hit them with quick passes into tight spots they stop moving and then when you do decide to take the risk, it fails because no one is prepared for it.
 
Shamikebab said:
Who the hell is this Marquinho? I had to look at FM, are we talking about this 27 year old who has only just left Brazil?

Anyway he looks crap on FM :p
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It's Marquinhos (there's a Marquinho at Roma too), a 19 year old defender, PSG are about to sign him for €35m~ it seems.
 
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