Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Burned_Alive said:
I am absolutely staggered by the prices being suggested for Bale. Fair play to Spurs/Bale/Levy but Bale isnt a patch on Ronaldo and so for him to go for more money is just absolutely insane. Not to mention that Ronaldo had 3 good years before moving for that money whereas Bale has really only had one really good season (last).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he's a bad player or a one a season wonder, I'm just blown away by the figures. £60m, fair enough in this market, but a world record? Incredible. For Spurs at least...
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I can't see these prices being paid this window. If he has a blockbuster season next season then fair enough, £80m or whatever, but at the moment it's madness.
 
Robbo said:
Is that where all of your 'rumours' have come from?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=24678638&postcount=6982

Hopefully it is true so this is sorted out and we can move on to someone else. Still think we should be offering £50m though. £30m is a joke.
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No, I just noticed that one .

I think it's only fair on Man U that Cesc does this now. It's the only way to put a certain end to it all. I genuinely thought he was going to go to Man U, but looking back, maybe I should have looked a bit more into Wenger's ultra relaxed attitude about the whole thing.

I don't think Fellaini's the answer for Man U though.

Some of you, Most actually, Man U fans will probably have a good crack up at this, but I think it's a bit of a shame Man U never beat Arsenal to Ramsay's signature. The more I watch him, the more I think that if he had gone to Man U 5 years ago, he could have been moulded into a very good midfielder for them.

I don't really think he suits us.
 
BaZ87 said:
Have Spurs sold anybody this summer? If they do sign Soldado it'll take their spending up to around £50m which is a fair whack.
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the tv money, backing of AVB, trying to hang on to bale are all factors and i think levy has finally realised that if we'd have spent a little more, we'd be in the cl.

we haven't sold anyone yet. manu deal for £5m was as good as agreed but there was a sticking point on besiktas being eligible to play in europe. i would like to see parker, hudd, livermore, gomes, BAE go to free up more cash as they're all surplus to requirements imo.

manu isn't worth selling for £5m, may aswell keep him. same with defoe. we still need 3 strikers in total to compete.

Burned_Alive said:
I am absolutely staggered by the prices being suggested for Bale. Fair play to Spurs/Bale/Levy but Bale isnt a patch on Ronaldo and so for him to go for more money is just absolutely insane. Not to mention that Ronaldo had 3 good years before moving for that money whereas Bale has really only had one really good season (last).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he's a bad player or a one a season wonder, I'm just blown away by the figures. £60m, fair enough in this market, but a world record? Incredible. For Spurs at least...
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he's just gone 24 and i'll say it once again. he has not only had one good season. i cannot comprehend why people think he's only had one good season.
 
He He, read something today that said a few years back when O'Neill was Villa manager, he was offered Falcao for €8m, but opted to buy Emile Heskey instead :D
 
cm1179 said:
he's just gone 24 and i'll say it once again. he has not only had one good season. i cannot comprehend why people think he's only had one good season.
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I did say really good season, which if you're paying £80m+ for a player, is what you'd expect. Look at Ronaldo's goal scoring record in the last 3 years before he moved to RM and look at Bales.
 
robfosters said:
Bale's got to go if the price touches 100 mill. Jesus, that buy's spurs at least 5, top, top quality players. Nearly half a new team!
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i agree. or £85m and 1 or 2 rm players. his stock is through the roof and we need funds for the stadium. would be an unbelievable profit but i'm getting sick of it now tbh. either sell him or make an official statement on a new contract.
 
Burned_Alive said:
I did say really good season, which if you're paying £80m+ for a player, is what you'd expect. Look at Ronaldo's goal scoring record in the last 3 years before he moved to RM and look at Bales.
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it's been touched on before but it's not just what he does on the pitch, it's a brand thing. is there much between bale and mata on the pitch? nothing massively. is there a difference between brand bale and brand mata? absoloutely. massively.
 
Put it this way, with that kind of money, they could easy patch up the deficiencies that no Bale would leave them with, as well as having a bit to stick in the stadium fund. Not much, but a bit.

Does anyone know what the estimated cost of the new stadium is?
 
Burned_Alive said:
I did say really good season, which if you're paying £80m+ for a player, is what you'd expect. Look at Ronaldo's goal scoring record in the last 3 years before he moved to RM and look at Bales.
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You can't look at stats really, you've just got to look at the player when he's playing to see he's as athletic as ronaldo, has the technique to rival anyone. right foot? maybe not? He's need to work on that.
His marketability is through the roof as well, a well spoken english person is top dollar really in advertisement. Why wouldn't he be? Everyone in the world can understand him..:D

You could also argue that Ronaldo had a significantly better team around him than Bale..
 
cm1179 said:
it's been touched on before but it's not just what he does on the pitch, it's a brand thing. is there much between bale and mata on the pitch? nothing massively. is there a difference between brand bale and brand mata? absoloutely. massively.
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What branding thing and what's that going to equate to if he joins Madrid?

Spurs were playing in front of half empty stadiums in the Far East. Did supporters buy tickets and then not show up when they found out Bale was injured?

edit: and on the Ronaldo/Bale thing. Similar position & age, Ronaldo was coming off the back of 2 very good seasons and 1 incredible season compared to Bale's 1 very good season.

However £80m odd today is a fair bit less than when Real paid it. The amount of money in football is rising massively and as a result transfer fees are too.
 
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BaZ87 said:
What branding thing and what's that going to equate to if he joins Madrid?
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British players? your avin a laugh arent you? Beckham/owen/Mcmanaman. Real Mardid love british players..

edit..Woody as well..
 
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cm1179 said:
it's been touched on before but it's not just what he does on the pitch, it's a brand thing. is there much between bale and mata on the pitch? nothing massively. is there a difference between brand bale and brand mata? absoloutely. massively.
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Any reports or articles on this supposed stardom that Bale has in the US?

Regardless, we're talking about a comparison with Ronaldo....not Mata. Compare the brands of Ronaldo and Bale and Bale still falls far far behind and thats not taking into account their contributions on the pitch. The valuation being banded around by all accounts is just silly and I guarantee you RM won't be paying it this transfer window.

p.s by posting the above I probably just jinxed it so congratulations Spurs :D :p
 
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I don't think Bale is comparable to Beckham (in the marketing sense), or Ronaldo (in the marketing or playing quality sense), at all.

He's on a billboard in New York and suddenly he's a global superstar up there with Ronaldo? I think not.
 
he's on the front cover of fifa, times square (any other footballer done that - this is massive) bt sport, just done esquire, sure there's other stuff too (lucozade?) and if this get's the nod, his stock will rise even more

Gareth Bale could stand to make up to £3million a year if he successfully manages to trademark his 'Eleven of Hearts' goal celebration logo, according to a leading sports marketing expert.

Bale has filed an application to the Intellectual Property Office (IPO) to trademark a logo which copies the goal celebration gesture he makes every time he finds the net, with a number 11 - his shirt number - inside the heart.

An independent tribunal will decide in the next two months whether he can trademark the logo. Should it give him the green light, the Tottenham forward will then have a powerful icon which he can incorporate into his image rights.

That could stand to make him up to £3million a year, according to Nigel Currie, director of sports marketing agency brand-rapport.

He said: "The possibilities are huge for Gareth Bale. Once he has that right he can cash in on it and become a more well-known player.

"A third of his overall income could be made from his image rights, potentially up to £3million a year."

Bale first incorporated the heart sign in to his goal celebration in 2010. He revealed afterwards that he did it as a gesture to his childhood sweetheart Emma Rhys-Jones, with whom he had a daughter last year.

Details of Bale's application to trademark the logo were first published last month. The 23-year-old, who scored 31 goals for club and country last term, has applied to trademark the logo for use on clothing, footwear and headgear as well as jewellery.

According to the IPO website, he has also applied to use the logo on leather goods, and "animal skins, hides; trunks and travelling bags; umbrellas, parasols and walking sticks; whips, harness and saddlery."

Bale is not the first British sportsman to try to cash in on his image rights. David Beckham was the most famous person to do so, but the 'Eleven of Hearts' logo gives Bale a head start on the former England captain.

"Beckham does various things for various brands, but having this logo gives you the opportunity to use it as the brand image," Currie added.

"It can appear on any sort of product he wants, so it has massive potential.

"Once you have got something that is readily identifiable with the person and has the potential to be seen by millions every time he scores a goal, then it becomes more and more recognisable globally."
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Trusty said:
British players? your avin a laugh arent you? Beckham/owen/Mcmanaman. Real Mardid love british players..
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I'm not sure how that answers my question :confused:

Every summer we get the same nonsense about branding and shirt sales but it's exaggerated bs.

Real aren't going to become a bigger club on the back of signing Bale nor will there be a noticeable difference in shirt sales, sponsorship agreements etc. I don't understand where people get this idea.

The only times there's a noticeable commercial advantage to signing a player is if a huge name player were to join a smaller club and/or that player's huge in a particular market - a big asian player for example.
 
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